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Old 09-11-2004, 09:27 AM   #21
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Can't carry a shotgun concealed. Therefore it seems that a shotgun is all but useless unless you're at home. Wife and I both have concealed carry licenses, and carry almost at all times.



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Old 09-11-2004, 11:50 AM   #22
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With all attributable respect they are not even in the same category---one is a super sport bike, the other trying to find an identity to justify it outlandish price tag. If that category is luxo-super sport bike, I know of many a Heli-bar, Double-Bubble and other accessories added to a Busa and the like that put this BMW to shame for substantially less money. It would take BMW pricing this model at around $11K to compete and BMW will never do that, because they believe in their own minds that they are comparable to a venerable Porsche 911 mystic and engineering, which that are not. Even Porsche realized that refined design still has to make the numbers game in its category, hence to continual refinement of the 911. Where BMW deserves credit is for the new hex-head oil-cooled engine and the R 1200 GS that has earned all the accolades that it receives.
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Old 09-11-2004, 12:04 PM   #23
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The engine is a "flat" six, or if you like a boxer six, not a v6. VWW
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Old 09-11-2004, 12:06 PM   #24
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Old 09-11-2004, 12:11 PM   #25
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I guess that Yossef doesn't realize that in the U.S. your ass would be a lot more sore after a fag break. VWW
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Old 09-11-2004, 01:09 PM   #26
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You've lived 90% of your own life without a bike, and now you say you can't imagine how painful living without a bike is? Do you have memory issues?
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Old 09-11-2004, 01:16 PM   #27
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You are technically correct. However the geometrically challenged sometimes refer to 180° horizontally opposed engines as "a 180° V-6" (or V-2, 4, 8, 10, 12 etc.) Of course, we all know that a 180° V is a flat line in reality. -Sean
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Old 09-11-2004, 01:24 PM   #28
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The bike I just sold was a ninja 500, so I think I have had my fill of kawi vertical twins for the time being. Great bikes, especially in the city, but just not what I am wanting.



I am moving to a land of heavy snows, so I think I will just wait until next spring. Until then I can torture myself with ever changing desires for the next bike. Soon instead of urban riding it will be mountain roads! Sweet!
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Old 09-11-2004, 02:47 PM   #29
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Great review. (But somebody needs to check the spelling.) I liked the skepticism, and I have to admit that the styling is a little, well, strange. Overall though it's a bike I'd want to have. After seeing the Japanese roll out another batch of cruisers (too slow, too upright) and liter bikes (too fast and too uncomfortable), it's nice to see BMW preparing to kick some butt. And thank goodness they put the "partial integrated" brake system on it. I really like that system, as the front lever lets me do all of my speed braking, and I can still trail brake the rear. Seems like all of the innovation is coming out of europe these days. Kudos to BMW for having the stones to roll out a new front suspension on a flagship bike.



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Old 09-11-2004, 03:35 PM   #30
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First, nice job by MO getting a test on this thing. First I've seen so far.



Second, at the price I'm sure BMW will be asking, I don't understand all the fuss. I like the innovative thinking that went into the front end, but nowhere does Yossef indicate that it's a big leap forward from telescopic forks. Performance seems nice but, again, nothing mind-blowing considering the bikes already on the market. The looks: eh. But I do applaud the effort to separate the K1200S (and BMWs in general) from the pack. They just forgot to make it prettier.



They should also never, ever, show the bike in chassis form. It looks like a thalidimide-addled shopping cart. I've seen more impressive looking hand trucks. Just show it without the fairing so you can see the duolever.



As we probably all suspected, most of the fuss is simply that BMW has managed to produce a bike that is competitive with the Hayabusa and ZX-12--only for about 5k more.
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