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Old 09-02-2004, 11:16 AM   #261
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Default Re: 2004 MO Sport Touring Shootout

Why wasn't the Aprilia Futura included in this shootout? It was last year, and it won!



"And so, with two firsts and two seconds, the Aprilia appears to be the winner."
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Old 09-02-2004, 12:09 PM   #262
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Default Re: 2004 MO Sport Touring Shootout

I didn't mean to imply that Yamaha is gouging anyone. And the FJR certainly seems to be an excellent value considering it's status atop the sport-touring world! I guess what I meant was, they could take the low road and raise prices to see what the market would bear, import as many as people will buy at the same price, or they can simply sell all they care to bring in and not have to worry about saturating the market or leaving the dealers with excess inventory (maintaining demand), which is what they seem to be doing. I think they could import a *few* more and sell them at the same price. It would take a few years of doing that before they'd eventually risk saturating the market. And by then, they'd probably have redesigned the bike and started the whole lust cycle all over again. But this is all pure speculation on my part



Anyway, I hope you enjoy your new bike as much as I think you will!
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Old 09-02-2004, 12:40 PM   #263
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You're right captain, looks like I'll have to make more room in my garage for three bikes. 1. Sport Touring, so I can ride the scenic routes two-up. 2. Crusier, in town look at me rides, torque is cool.. 3. Off-Road dual bike like KTM's Adventure 950, so after I've found places to see on my Sport Touring rides. Then I can ride it to where I want to explore the back country, without the wife who could care less about the back country sights..
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Old 09-02-2004, 01:04 PM   #264
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Default Re: 2004 MO Sport Touring Shootout

You mean the one with the aftermarket suspension, aftermarket brakes, aftermarket clutch, aftermarket chip, aftermarket intake and aftermarket exhaust, that "won" last year's SPORT tour shootout?
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Old 09-02-2004, 03:01 PM   #265
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Yeah, that one! Maybe Aprilia made improvements for 04!
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Old 09-02-2004, 08:06 PM   #266
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Default Re: What does one have to do with the other?

My point there is that I wouldn't have met those individuals had I been hanging out in a motel room, or at a downtown bar, or whatever. Slowing your pace of life down, as you would in a campground, causes you to meet some fascinating people, as I've done with motorcycle camping. Perhaps the camping issue is one I've dwelt so much on that it seems to override the overall issue, which is, essentially, I don't believe a touring bike of any kind can be sufficiently evaluated in a two or three day trip.



I'm greatful for your experience in serving our country. In my own international persuits, I've been chased by assassins in India; been given police escorts through Vladivostok, Russia; I've disarmed nuclear weapons in places you don't want to know about, and few sundry other things that don't matter here. There are few of us who haven't camped, I'm just sorry that some of the motorcycling media in general has seemed to lose the charm sharing that part of the motrcycle adventure.



And, as much as it might annoy you, I honestly feel your evaluation of these bikes has absolutely no bearing on my opinion of any of them. That's simple honest feedback. I love your publication, and I intend to remain a subscriber, but I'm not going to join others in praising what I feel is a mediocre evaluation. Simply an opinion, friend, and I'm sorry if it ruffles you.
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Old 09-02-2004, 08:29 PM   #267
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Default Re: What does one have to do with the other?

I can see that my own comments might be going in different directions, simply because I'm trying to respond to people here without bringing out the cheap artillery and engaging in senseless banter, so here goes:



1. M/O is the only publication (printed. offline, or whatever) that I think is worth subscribing to.



2. I DO believe that the camping experience shines a different kind of light on motorcycle touring, and it DOES add more dimension to the evaluation of touring motorcycles.



3. I don't believe any kind of touring bike can be honestly evaluated in a few days.



4. I think this last comparison is not up to M/O standards, and no one has convinced me differently yet.



5. Keep trying. I'm old enough to know that when I've been proven wrong, I'm the one who most benefits.



6. If I've led anyone to believe that they don't know what they're talking about, that wasn't my intention. I'm not coming from the attitude that I've seen it all/done it all. That's no fun.
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Old 09-02-2004, 08:34 PM   #268
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Default Re: And Reno kinda was like camping

Dude, you're a hoot. Nice to see someone who isn't foaming at the mouth just 'cause I spoke a discouraging word.



Then again, maybe you do foam at the mouth, but I bet you have with that as well.
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Old 09-02-2004, 08:41 PM   #269
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Default Re: And Reno kinda was like camping

I meant to say "I bet you have fun with that as well."



I am the typomaniac. I leave entire words out sometimes. It's all the distraction I get from wiping the foam from around my mouth.



And I'll bet there are some here that would add "...which comes from putting your foot in your mouth so much."
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Old 09-03-2004, 05:17 AM   #270
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It's leftover toothpaste.
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