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Old 09-03-2004, 01:46 PM   #251
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Good point. And yes, I do think your opinions are the most important.
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Old 09-03-2004, 01:49 PM   #252
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You betcha. But only if you can get me hooked up with a good son or salsa band. I have a factory sponsorship from the Toca drum company, which netted me a great set of congas. And, I think Celia Cruz is still the reigning queen, alive or not.
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Old 09-03-2004, 03:28 PM   #253
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Go ahead and take your torque chart to Bike Night to impress your friends but stay away from ZZR guys because in any straight line contest of speed on the street ZZR's eat "Yammie" FJR's for breakfast, Bigtime. Don't feel bad I can only think of a handful of bikes in it's Power/Speed class stock, the FJR isn't close.
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Old 09-03-2004, 04:16 PM   #254
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For old guys.
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Old 09-03-2004, 04:23 PM   #255
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And at Deals Gap the only way to get across it quick on the FJR and the ST is to straighten it out. Those bikes are far behind compared to the K12 or any of the other bikes in your comparo. I just do not get it. These two bikes are more for the open road. They are great on the Blueridge. They are not great on 215, that crosses over the Blueridge.
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Old 09-03-2004, 08:34 PM   #256
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I still think the Triumph should have won-who could resist that sound or handling?
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Old 09-03-2004, 08:58 PM   #257
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Is a 35yr Old AMA "Pro Expert" licensed racer considered an "old guy" for the ST market? Cause I'm that guy and hardly consider the K1200RS to be more of a sportbike than an FJR (which has the same ground clearance and WAY more motor than an RS) I consider them both to be in the "Big, Heavy, Powerful" class and aimed at 40 and 50 something guys who want or need to sacrafice some nimbleness for legroom and a more relaxed ride. -Sean
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Old 09-04-2004, 04:00 AM   #258
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The K12 is not a sportbike in my opinion. It sport tours pretty well. The engine is actually about 13 years old and has been updated as you know. The K12 design is about 7 years old. The FJR is a more powerful motorcycle. It is lighter. Reported to have great suspension and should handle better than the K12. It does not. The same is said of the ST. I have been riding for 38 years and and I do not find these two new motorcycles better for me than the tired old K12. They are not revolutionary and only refine and copy the BMW design. I was in the market for both of these bikes. I wanted a more sport oriented sport touring bike. These bikes are surely what most people desire. They did not do it for me. The Ducati ST4 sure gets me going but I will not tour with a chain drive. So I am down for the new K1200S. I appreciate your response to my questions and jabs.
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Old 09-04-2004, 06:47 PM   #259
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This article, while completely different in style, is the closest thing we've ever seen in American motojournalism in spirit to the vastly higher quality stuff in Europe, specifically Performance Bike. Nearly all other US stuff, in the print mags at least, is the, "we saluted the flag, smiled at old ladies and kept the noise down" eunuch don't-*****-off-the- advertisers garbage.



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Old 09-04-2004, 07:26 PM   #260
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The Connie should have at least been mentioned... It has a lot going for it. I owned a '93. Thinking seriously about buying a brand new one. One of the best bargains in the 2 wheeler world if you ask me.
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