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Old 09-01-2004, 12:03 PM   #191
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Default Re: 2004 MO Sport Touring Shootout

I see your point based on my comment. I have been out west many times and relly enjoy the roads and scenery. I do not know all the roads. The roads are in general not as tight as in the Smokys or say West Va. However, they seem much faster. I recall beartooth pass as very twisty and similar to my experience close to my home. I would not choose an ST or FJR as a mountain bike. No one I know who has one is very impressive in the mountains of NC. The K12 is no sportbike but holds up much better IMHO. Also a set of Ohlins make a big difference.
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Old 09-01-2004, 12:09 PM   #192
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now i am bored again, what's next? i suggest an interview with the person at kawasaki who designed/ and or signed off on z750 fairing "Americano." I was actually thinking i could own one of those til i saw the jc whitney ***** on it. I am serious. what gives?
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Old 09-01-2004, 12:14 PM   #193
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You have made my point for me. The FJR is not the kind of bike that lends itself to agressive coenering. None of my FJR buddies can keep up on a tight mountain road. Why? because they keep touching down. The ST1300 is worse. I have never ground a shift lever on the K12. I know some people have. Some people can tear up a hammer. I am 180 lbs. I do not ride with side cases. I am no speed demon but I do use all my tire. I have ridden and owned lots of different mcs. The K12 is not perfect and the FJR may be a better ride in many ways. I just get tired of hearing about it being a great sport tourer. It ain't.
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Old 09-01-2004, 12:24 PM   #194
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There isn't much to understand. The ZZR will walk away from the FJR at any rpm in any gear. At low revs in a tall gear the bikes will be pretty close, but the ZZR is still the victor. It is true that the ZZR has less torque than the FJR, but the ZZR still has a mountain of torque any time you want to use it.
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Old 09-01-2004, 12:37 PM   #195
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Default Re: That was fun.

Maybe you could find a leftover Vetter "Wingjammer" fairing with adjustable windshield and eagles wings.



That would look pretty sweet on the 750, no?
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Old 09-01-2004, 12:46 PM   #196
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Default Re: That was fun.

one of those original Bell full face helmets where the face shield doesn't go up would look good too. like something out of the day the Earth Stood Still. yick man. Steer me back toward beloved Buell...

i always wanted to track down the person at bmw who came up with their turn signals too, corner him like a wild ferret and get the truth out... some shrivelled little engineer whose dad was very high up in the Party no doubt...
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Old 09-01-2004, 01:41 PM   #197
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Default Sporty Touring

A couple of years ago a motorcycle publication that shall remain nameless (but has become too conservatively managed to retain our beloved johnnyb) did a comparo with three sport-tourers at the track to see just how much we give up to the "tour" part of the compromise.



There was a 996 and ST4s, for instance.



Looking at the statistics, there was little performance difference for the less-than-gifted among us.



So maybe we should all be riding ST4's or Futuras.



rmx, your post makes my brain fire out two tangentially related thoughts.



First, the level of performance of a modern sport bike is phenomenal. You ought to spend a week with a modern literbike (or maybe the GSXR 750) not just to appreciate how oh-my-God fast they are above 7000 rpm, but how light, and how small, and how precise they are. Not to mention how cheap. It's like you could buy a Ferrari Enzo for the price of a Hyundai.



After that, go back to your ST. At first, it would seem incredibly large and heavy and slow. But of course it's the tool of choice the next time you want to ride more than 400 miles in a day.



So the solution, of course, is to have a stable. Hey, Sean, here's a story idea--what would the MOrons ultimate four-bike stable be? We could start with Buz or Big James because, well, they've already got four bikes.



Second, every time I take a ride this summer, FAR AND AWAY (like 80%) most of the bikes I see are the much-reviled, slow, anti-"performance", anachronistic Harleys. Not sport tourers, not Gold Wings, not sport bikes. Hell, I rarely see a Blackbird or a Hayabusa, which are intended to go distances although those may just be going too fast to be seen.
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Old 09-01-2004, 02:02 PM   #198
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Old 09-01-2004, 02:09 PM   #199
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Hey, the BMW foot roaster option would be a handy item for warming up convenience store hot dogs, keeping coffee warm, baking bread and stuff. All while doing an Edelweiss tour. Clever, those krauts.
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Old 09-01-2004, 02:35 PM   #200
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I've had a ZZR for a year and being such a fair minded guy I don't really begrudge the last place finish for it.

It is kind of funny that Kawi can never, at least till the new ZX10, hit the nail on the head in the camparo game. The ZX9 and ZX11 were always last place in sport comparos, untill the 11 wasn't even included, because they were too comfy and mild. Now they missed the touring part of the equation by being too sporty with the ZZR.



The cure for the buzz is keep it above 5000rpm. I'm moving up a tooth on the rear sprocket probably. Since the mileage sucks anyway it doesn't make much difference, and besides, it's more fun. On the mileage it was a shame they didn't get EFI on the thing and at least the early ones were carborated terribly.



The downside to the ZZR include a high incidence of cam pitting (galling really), head shake, occasional bad heads that leaked coolant in early editions, some blown main fuses and electrical glitches. In other words not up to Kawis normal bulletproof norm. I've had none of these problems on my 02, now with 14K miles. (well I did have a bit of headshake but proper setup fixed it)



Buy on used one cheap. Get an high end rear shock and an extended warrantee. Go like stink. Really the CBR XX is the closest comparo and that thing has high pegs which makes it an impossible mile maker for me. I did a 5500 mile tour on the ZZR this summer. No problem.

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