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BMW4VWW · 07-05-2004, 07:17 AM

Don't forget that Afganistan was the USSR's Vietnam. I know that we gave aid to the Mujadeen (sp?) then, but the Taliban and their ally Al Queda are supported by some fairly wealthy folks in the middle east. To accomplish the goal of pacifying the countryside there by ridding it of both of the afore mentioned groups will most likely take many years, and a whole lot more troops than the 10,000 that we have there now. VWW

pdad13 · 07-06-2004, 07:44 AM

Can't forget about the Soviets and Afghanistan. With a far greater military force (in numbers and equipment) they were hopelessly bogged down. I don't care how many wealthy folks/sick bastards the enemy has bankrolling them. They are hopelessly outgunned and outmanned (in the senses of ability, technology and training.) They are fighting with 20+ year-old equipment. And they are not benefiting from quality intelligence and information about their enemy, such as the Mujahadeen did in the 80's.

They do have some advantages. Like the Viet Cong, they have the lay of the land. They have some local populations that are sympathetic or terrified collaborators. They have an unstable political and social situation to exploit. And they are ruthless, conscienceless animals.

Don't get me wrong. They will do some damage. Those 20+ year-old weapons can still kill. But this is a war, isn't it? War is never pretty or neat. But it is sometimes necessary. I think most of us will agree that this one is.

But we've learned a lot from Viet Nam. And the Soviet disaster in Afganistan. I would say the smart money's on us.

P.S. I'd like to see some more of out troops in there, too.

07-05-2004, 07:17 AM	#121
BMW4VWW Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,833	Re: 1907 Curtiss V-8 record bike Don't forget that Afganistan was the USSR's Vietnam. I know that we gave aid to the Mujadeen (sp?) then, but the Taliban and their ally Al Queda are supported by some fairly wealthy folks in the middle east. To accomplish the goal of pacifying the countryside there by ridding it of both of the afore mentioned groups will most likely take many years, and a whole lot more troops than the 10,000 that we have there now. VWW

07-06-2004, 07:44 AM	#122
pdad13 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,733	Re: 1907 Curtiss V-8 record bike Can't forget about the Soviets and Afghanistan. With a far greater military force (in numbers and equipment) they were hopelessly bogged down. I don't care how many wealthy folks/sick bastards the enemy has bankrolling them. They are hopelessly outgunned and outmanned (in the senses of ability, technology and training.) They are fighting with 20+ year-old equipment. And they are not benefiting from quality intelligence and information about their enemy, such as the Mujahadeen did in the 80's. They do have some advantages. Like the Viet Cong, they have the lay of the land. They have some local populations that are sympathetic or terrified collaborators. They have an unstable political and social situation to exploit. And they are ruthless, conscienceless animals. Don't get me wrong. They will do some damage. Those 20+ year-old weapons can still kill. But this is a war, isn't it? War is never pretty or neat. But it is sometimes necessary. I think most of us will agree that this one is. But we've learned a lot from Viet Nam. And the Soviet disaster in Afganistan. I would say the smart money's on us. P.S. I'd like to see some more of out troops in there, too.

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