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Old 07-01-2004, 05:37 PM   #101
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I maintain, regardless of HOW big the displacement, HOW much torgue it has, an engine can do no more work than the HP it produces. Look at the torque figures of the Harleys, certainly more than adequate for street duty and beloved by their riders for it but not NEARLY fast as a new 600 which has far less torque but far more HP (other than the V-ROD). And another thing, what makes you think that a thirties German 23 liter Aircraft engine wouldn't have repectible HP? At least as necessary to make a car go fast? I think you're trying to break the law, of Physics.
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Old 07-01-2004, 05:41 PM   #102
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And another thing, weight has very little to do with top speed on a level surface! IMHO
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Old 07-01-2004, 07:38 PM   #103
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Fine, listen, it's pretty clear that the Nigerian document was a fraud. How it was handled and disseminated is what's not entirely clear to me.



I still don't buy the "war for oil" argument. However, you are correct that we will have a significant strategic advantage in the area. In fact, I believe that was one of the obvioius goals. If that enables us to better to influence the political climate and insure a secure oil supply, great. It's still a leap to insist a war was prosecuted strictly for corporate profiteering.



By the way, I love all of these enviro-extortionists who oppose even the most reasonable and sensitive plans for oil exploration in our hemisphere. That group has some of the biggest liars around. (Sorry, just a side rant.)



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Old 07-01-2004, 08:00 PM   #104
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(Um, I believe you were the first to go off topic there, cruiz. I only responded.)



Right you are. The crusades were the beginning of the European colonization of the Middle East. And I'm not trying to "wash our hands." We've supported our European allies in most of their endeavors in the region. It's just that you seem to pretend that all the problems in the Middle East began at our door. That's silly. We've basically been Arab enemy #1 since the end of the second World War. Much of that has to do with our support of Israel, which was created in large part because many of our galant European bretheren didn't want "all those Jews" in their countries. What bothers me is the feeling that Europe is not acting in virtue, but fear. Witness Spain.
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Old 07-01-2004, 08:59 PM   #105
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Nah, HK, no flames. I can see where you sit, and that's fine. I don't mean to be an apologist for G.W. I think both parties have severe shortcomings. I just don't think many of the attack dogs are making much sense. Millions of jobs lost all attributed to Bush? That's unrealistic at best. The President doesn't have that much influence over markets. I seem to remember that we were being warned about recession at the end of Clinton's presidency. I also remember a substantively bankrupt internet boom that started going bust for real around that time. Surely this had something to do with job loss, no? Then we had 9/11. Not good for the economy. But when times were "good," everyone seemed to ignore the brewing storm in the Islamic world. We were all wrapped up in our 401ks and wholly unrealistic expectations of 3% unemployment forever. (Leading economic indicators are about the same now as they were all through the Clinton years. You've heard that before.)



Speaking of 9/11, why does everybody pretend that all was more or less cuddly with our Arab friends before the Iraq War? I was in New York on 9/11. I knew people in those buildings. I don't remember many wholehearted condemnations and hearfelt tears from the Arabs--even those living in this country. In fact, we only got a little backhanded sympathy with qualifications something to the effect that we brought the attack on ourselves. I also remember some dancing in the streets overseas.



I do think we need to get along with other nations. However, given our standing in the world, nations also need to be able to get along with us. Eventually, we will all probably find common ground. And as for the argument that most of the world thinks we're wrong in Iraq, they may be right. But they also may be wrong. And no matter where you stand on this issue, you must agree that brave decisions are not always popular. Leaders can lead because they have the ability to make unpopular decisions. We elect people that we feel can make the best decisions based on knowledge, experience and information that we don't have. If those decisions turn out to be wrong, we fire those leaders.



So do your best to fire Dubya. That's your right.



All I'm saying is that the jury is still out on Iraq.
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Old 07-01-2004, 09:15 PM   #106
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No, of course not (but very funny nonetheless). What I mean is that the French, as always, are trying to assert themselves as a world power. It's nice to have us as a quasi-enemy to position themselves against. And other European nations, somewhat understandably so, are a little nervous about the U.S. being the only superpower.



At least we can agree on the fact that the French should stick to rhetoric and stay as far away from the battlefield as possible.



P.S. Who knew the Scandinavians could be hostile? I thought that went out with the Vikings?

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Old 07-01-2004, 09:27 PM   #107
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Nah, HK, no flames. I can see where you sit, and that's fine. I don't mean to be an apologist for G.W. I think both parties have severe shortcomings. I just don't think many of the attack dogs are making much sense. Millions of jobs lost all attributed to Bush? That's unrealistic at best. The President doesn't have that much influence over markets. I seem to remember that we were being warned about recession at the end of Clinton's presidency. I also remember a substantively bankrupt internet boom that started going bust for real around that time. Surely this had something to do with job loss, no? Then we had 9/11. Not good for the economy. But when times were "good," everyone seemed to ignore the brewing storm in the Islamic world. We were all wrapped up in our 401ks and wholly unrealistic expectations of 3% unemployment forever. (Leading economic indicators are about the same now as they were all through the Clinton years. You've heard that before.)



Speaking of 9/11, why does everybody pretend that all was more or less cuddly with our Arab friends before the Iraq War? I was in New York on 9/11. I knew people in those buildings. I don't remember many wholehearted condemnations and hearfelt tears from the Arabs--even those living in this country. In fact, we only got a little backhanded sympathy with qualifications something to the effect that we brought the attack on ourselves. I also remember some dancing in the streets overseas.



I do think we need to get along with other nations. However, given our standing in the world, nations also need to be able to get along with us. Eventually, we will all probably find common ground. And as for the argument that most of the world thinks we're wrong in Iraq, they may be right. But they also may be wrong. And no matter where you stand on this issue, you must agree that brave decisions are not always popular. Leaders can lead because they have the ability to make unpopular decisions. We elect people that we feel can make the best decisions based on knowledge, experience and information that we don't have. If those decisions turn out to be wrong, we fire those leaders.



So do your best to fire Dubya. That's your right.



All I'm saying is that the jury is still out on Iraq.
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Old 07-01-2004, 11:04 PM   #108
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I agree with much of what is said here (by you and others) and disagree with parts as well. If you watch Michael Moores new film, I'm sure you've heard about it, it may put some things in a different light, particularly in regards to the "why does everyone pretend everything was more or less cuddly with our Arab friends". It's interesting to me that the "Right" doesn't seem to be calling it false. It seems to me that a lot of people are dying (or worse) and a lot of rich people (well clear of harms way) are getting richer. For some reason both things ***** me off. Strategically I think the aims were to place a Military base there and to "Westernize" the Middle East creating Billions of happy little consumers to buy our products, I like to think of it as "Aggressive Capitalism". Our "Oil Industry" White House may have had a passing thought about the second largest known Oil reserve in the World... I think the People of Iraq (and the Middle East) will reject all of that, demand our departure as soon as their general election occurs (if ever), deeply hate us (even more!) for Generations and provide manpower and money to our True Enemies on a scale far beyond what would have ever happened under Sadam. I hope to be wrong. Is this the REAL"Plan"? Is it a coincidence that well over a decade after the "Cold Wars" end the only Superpower left in the World continues to spend more on Defense that ever? If we're not at "War" we could spend less on Defense right? Is that "Military-Industrial Complex" stuff BS? I think the Government itself is reaching critical mass, "Everybody for everyone in the Government being Millionaires say "I"!".
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Old 07-02-2004, 08:59 AM   #109
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Hey, I fully acknowledge that this thing could backfire completely. Iraq, and the Middle East in general, is a risky proposition. But many a controversial decision has been ridiculed when it did not produce immediate or perfectly ideal results, only later to be proven the correct decision. Hell, I see it happen in business almost weekly. I'm not sure the answer should have included the Iraq war. Then again, I'm convinced that we could not let the situation exist as it did. There has been a growing Arab hostility towards this country for many years. We have been attacked increasingly for over ten years now. It's entirely possible that we have only exposed the ugly feelings that many Arabs/Muslims have been harboring and nurturing for years. The Iraq War has given them the opportunity to voice their hatred. I'd be willing to guess that most of it existed prior to it. Remember, there were no strong condemnations--and they had the gaul to blame us-- from Arab leaders or citizens after 9/11. Isn't it obvious that's because they had been harboring hatred for some time. No Arab politician had the b*lls to come out and strongly condem the attacks. I think it's obvious that they both fear being seen as a friend of the U.S. and also use the resentment of us to their political advantages. (Has anyone forgotten that many of these guys are not particular nice people?)



You know, sometimes you need to fight an enemy, not placate it. And it won't come easy. My parents are of the WW II generation. They did what they had to do. Will we? The Arabs hated us before, they will probably hate us in the future no matter what we do. How does anyone plan to solve that?



Michael Moore: I have not seen "Farhenheit 911" but I do plan on seeing it when it comes to video. But let me just say that I've seen "Roger & Me" and "Bowling for Columbine." Both well made films. But both were also self-serving distortions of the truth. "Bowling" in particular. That stunt he pulled with Charleton Heston was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in a "documentary." The worst part is that he already had Heston nailed before he pulled that gratuitious nonsense. I did agree with some of his conclusions. But then the whole train of thought became confused and sensationalist. I'll reserve judgement of F 9/11 until I see it.



But here's what's really dubious about Mr. Moore. I actually met him and was involved in a long discussion (about an hour) with him in Union Sq. Park square shortly after 9/11. He was nice enough to us, but when we started to discuss the situation I became acutely aware of his biases and a troubling misunderstanding of geopolitics. I'll give you two of his off-kilter assertions: 1. The U.S Military is incapable of ridding Afganistan of the Taliban. 2. We should get the Israelis to do it! What? I thought he was joking. He wasn't. Do I have to explain what a disasterous move that would have been if it unraveled?



This man is a talented film maker. He is not a talented political theorist or social critic. He is not even a documentarian. He has a talent for drama and humor and entertainnment. Entertianment is often defined by distortion and exaggeration.
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Old 07-02-2004, 10:04 AM   #110
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Perhaps Spain's paranoia is due to the ancestral memory they have about being conquered and occupied by the moors. VWW
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