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Old 04-26-2004, 12:27 PM   #151
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IÂ’ve been looking forward for some organization to generate a report like this on the liter class Sportbike war since Yamaha, Honda, and Kawasaki announced that were developing a new liter class Sport Bike. Including Aprilia, Ducati, and the Triumph Daytona in this test was a great addition.

I would like to give everybody at motorcycle online who contributed to this article a sincere compliment; considering the difficult task that was inherent in this test and what you accomplished in spite of crashing the 999 and Suzuki.

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Old 04-26-2004, 02:47 PM   #152
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The RC-51's swingarm will not fit on a CBR-1000RR without dramatically retooling the RR's chassis. Read www.hondanews.com for pictures and engineering. The basic reason is that the RR's swingarm and shock both attach at the pivot point and nowhere else - there's not a second attachment on the frame for a standard rear shock configuration.



It's a really cool design, looks pretty good in person and from everthing I've read and seen, it's extremely effective.
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Old 04-26-2004, 04:49 PM   #153
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Old 04-26-2004, 05:05 PM   #154
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BMW4VWW said: "Brickl, some aspects of motorcycling can be unpleasant. The fact that bad things can, and do happen to riders that we respect is something that shouldn't be redacted to present a false image of reality."



You can respect them all you want. I'd respect them a heck of a lot more if ridiculous stunts like we're discussing here: a.) never happened because an adult was around to do a bit of thinking, or, b.) were kept out of the article.



This comparo is so hopelessly compromised from so many different criterial perspectives I don't have the energy to list them all. But I gotta say, big friggin shocker that Honda hit #1 on its maiden voyage back on the site!!! SHAZAM!!! HAR, HAR, HAR!!! Unreal.
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Old 04-26-2004, 05:12 PM   #155
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Default When are you testing the Ducati again?

I would let you borrow mine, as long as you promise not to make any U-Turns! I would like to see the track results.

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Old 04-26-2004, 06:36 PM   #156
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A great article and story. I wasn't thinking about buying one the these bikes for myself but after such a great job reporting, I may change my mind. I can't believe what you guys went through to pull it off! My hat's off to Sean for his determination and shear guts to stick through this to the end after all that happen, pulling off a great test. I honestly wouldn't have been able to. I think cudos are in order for all the hard work of the team as well.



It's always easy to second guess someone after the fact on what could have or should have been done, but I think under the exact same circumstances no one else could have done better. I figure two busted bikes are a fair trade for two busted (or killed) riders. It is a great idea to rematch the Ducati and Suzuki with the Honda later. I'll be looking forward to it. My favorite bike of the test? I'll take the Triumph, as it appeals to what I'm looking for in a bike.
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Old 04-26-2004, 07:03 PM   #157
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showing your MSF scores and relevant magazine test articals would have been helpful.
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Old 04-26-2004, 08:01 PM   #158
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You think that the Honda won because the fix was in? Boy o boy, and people have the nerve to say that I am a conspiricy nut. VWW
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Old 04-26-2004, 10:27 PM   #159
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These tests were done at track days, how the hell do you get accurate test times at a track day with rider's of vastly different abilities on the track at the same time?



I bet if you brought those bikes to a track like Mid-America Motorplex the track results would have been different.



It would be nice if they could run the 3 new 1k inline 4's at a couple of different tracks with different characteristics to get a little more depth on the differences of the bikes tested to see which one worked the best.
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Old 04-26-2004, 10:47 PM   #160
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If it was me I wouldn't ride with any of them ever again. But maybe ground rules need to be laid out in plain english on what the plan is, at least now you know what can happen and can try to prevent it in the future.
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