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Old 04-01-2004, 05:21 AM   #111
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Default Re: LUSTING after EX500?

I dunno. 100% agree on your Yates take in Soup.
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Old 04-01-2004, 05:51 AM   #112
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Default Re: Middleweight Standards Comparo

Fit in pretty well?



Well what have we here, a "middlewight comparo", six bikes between 500-650cc, and a 1200cc. Weighing 40% more than the average of the rest.



Well, Tatd, if you are ever asked for jury duty to a beauty contest, just say no.



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Old 04-01-2004, 05:54 AM   #113
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I looked at one at the Detroit Cycle Show here, I did like it, but I'm a bit short of leg at 5'9". A bit short of cash to, until they become available used.
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Old 04-01-2004, 06:00 AM   #114
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Pic #42 - what's with the "purse?" To each their own, I guess...
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Old 04-01-2004, 06:11 AM   #115
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I think that's a valid point. My first "street" bike was a KS125 Kawasaki enduro (three days after my fifteen birthday). Probably around 8 HP on a good day. Redline was 8000 RPM but I'd shift at 7000 for maximum acceleration! (it'd fall off the pipe). "Speed Shifting", Racing tuck, slamming on the brakes (drums) at the last possible moment, riding on the "ragged edge" around corners, on the gas Early and Hard coming out. All to maintain a slightly greater pace than some Grandma on the way to the store in her Pinto. I miss that bike and being able to ride like that on the street without speeding (about 68MPH indicated max with a "Jay Springteen" tuck and a mile) but the ZRX is a blast too. Obviously the law and physics demand restraint most of the time but sometimes! WOW! If only I can get to the point of sliding coming out of corners in the dry as easy as it is in the wet.
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Old 04-01-2004, 06:30 AM   #116
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It belongs to my naked cousin. Sean was quite taken with him.
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Old 04-01-2004, 06:37 AM   #117
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Default VStrom Vs SV

The VStrom uses a different frame (its the DL1000 frame with a different motor-mount adaptor).



True, the DL gives up 50 lbs and 5 hp to the SV, but...



The SV doesn't have the ergonomics, the wind protection, the 5.8 gallon tank, the long travel suspension, remote preload ajustment (a godsend for pillion duty)....



On a twisted backroad or the track, the SV will blow past the Vstrom. But as a real world bike?



The VStrom will cruise faster than an SV (real wind-protection), and more comfortably than either an SV or SV-S, for either one or two. The VStrom cuts through potholes and crap like they don't exist, and comfortably goes down gravel driveways/roads.



The SV is actually fairly sports-biased, especially the SV-S, with teh almost GSX-R ergonomics. The VStrom is a much more "biased towards nothing" bike. I doubt it will sell well in the US (but those who buy it will be very happy), but I'd expect it to sell by the boatload in europe.



I'll snag a ride this weekend (probably) on an SV-S so I can do a full impression.
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Old 04-01-2004, 07:03 AM   #118
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Default Generational...

Keeping the old gen engine around (Katana & Bandit -> old GSX-R 600) has very little cost associated with it, especially if the bike was designed when the old-gen engine was still new. So much of the bike is the design and tooling cost, and of the engine as well, that keeping things constant saves a ton of money.



Oh, after a while you'd want to replace carburation/analog instruments with significantly cheaper EFI and digital (or stepper-motor "analog") instruments, but that can wait until you redesign the entire bike.



Yamaha was doing the same thing with the Fazer (YZF-600R engine), its that they had to update it to meet euro emissions regs, and in the process decided to use the R6 mill as the starting point instead.



Probably the major reason why the Hornet/Hornet S/CB600/CB600S are still using the older gen (carburated) CBR mill is that Honda is able to get them to pass emmisions, so they haven't had to redo things, and therefore don't want to.



The other factor, which I'm suprised hasn't been done, is put space in the engine case to add a counterbalancer. Leave the balancer, balancer berings (and the gear for it on the crankshaft?) out in the hypersport, but put it in for the other models.



Could you imagine a 90+ hp 600cc engine without vibration?
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Old 04-01-2004, 07:09 AM   #119
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Default State Farm...

State farm writes based on displacement, not bike type, at least in my experience. Thus state farm is actually really CHEAP for a 600 supersport, its just "Yet another 599cc motorcyce".



I'm paying 1/2 the cost!)



They get around the squid-factor by mostly not writing motorcycle policies except for car customers.

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Old 04-01-2004, 07:13 AM   #120
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Default It's not a purse!!!

It's a european carry-all!!!
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