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SpongeBOB 09-17-2003 06:22 PM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
how about a crash test with that jacket

dnakase 09-17-2003 06:25 PM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
Yah, might wana armor up that posterior, Pilgrim. Them denim britches last all of a New York minute and protect your hide 'bout as well as a swiss cheese propylactic, I recon.

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pplassm 09-18-2003 01:51 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
I ended up buying the Fieldsheer jacket. For just a little more, it includes CE approved amour, leather panels on shoulders, elbows, etc, and zip out lining as standard, not as add-ons.

maladg 09-18-2003 03:16 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
I have the Rocket that is one notch above the Phoenix..has perf leather on top of sleeves and shoulders. Pretty good review. Reflects my experiences very well. Solid product at a good price.

A good point is made above...while the Rocket jackets are fine, there is suddenly a lot of competition out there for ventilated textile garb. Last year the Rocket Phoenix was a no brainer purchace. Now one ought to get out to the local shops and try out the other ones.

navion_pa1 09-18-2003 04:08 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
MCN had some jackets that have been involved

in crashs. Seemed to stand up pretty well.


navion_pa1 09-18-2003 04:13 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
I got a First Gear Mesh jacket at Mid - Ohio this

year, and must say, I like it for the hot weather during this summer.

After getting home, I noticed that Fieldsheer jacket (total mesh) has CE pads, but comes with a liner and rain cover, but only for ones

sold in England.

I would have liked to have gotten this jacket here in the States, rather then try and get it shipped from England. Funny thing was the price was about the same for the jacket with out the addition's here in the states versus the

one sold in England.


saddlebag 09-18-2003 05:16 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
Are you volunteering?

kawazuki 09-18-2003 05:32 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
I've got one, I crashed in it, and it held up well.

I didn't slide any though. my ground contact was all impact. I went down, hit my elbow on the ground, and didn't really even notice. my knee, which was unarmored, also hit the ground, and was bruised for a week and a half. There was essentially no damage to the jacket.

Crash details: I was on an '80 KZ1000 with kinda old, cold Metzlers, riding up the street at a bout 30 when a car blew the stop sign in front of me, I grabbed too much front brake and lowsided. Ok, come to think of it, maybe there was sliding. I wasn't paying much attention to the ground contact I was making, I was more concerned with the contact I was still moving towards with the car. Fortunately, they got out of the way in time. (And kept going, btw. Grr.)

One neat thing I discovered about the Phoenix jacket (which, while it helps, still sucks to wear in the Mojave in June) is that you can use it like a giant swamp cooler. I'd stop every 50 miles or so, and hose myself down, then get back on the bike and ride on, in nearly air conditioned comfort. Obviously this trick only works really well in a desert that encourages evaporative cooling--less effective in, say, Louisiana.


Abe_Froman 09-18-2003 05:59 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
The message board has a couple threads on the protective qualities of mesh jackets, from the perspective of some guys that have found out this information from experience. Needless to say I will never buy one.

grubz916 09-18-2003 06:08 AM

well, I'm sold
I guess they're better than nothing, but not by much!!

captainwhoopass 09-18-2003 06:20 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
On the other hand, both of those guys were going pretty fast- an 80mph stand-up wheelie into a median and a guy who claimed to be doing 50mph when he t-boned a car, but the damage to his bike tells me he was going much faster than that. I'm not surprised a bit that they came away with some injuries. A normal textile jacket wouldn't have fared much better.

Besides, those jackets beat the hell out of t-shirts, which is what those guys would have been wearing if they didn't have mesh jackets.

El_Duderino 09-18-2003 07:01 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
The swamp cooler effect is what JR is trying to do with it's Sahara vest. It is made of special material, which is supposed to retain more water and do it in a controlled evaporative release so it doesn't dry off so quickly as if you would with normal garments (soaked t-shirts). The vest worked pretty good in the humid FL summer, but I found it works best if you refrigerate it after the prescribed soaking in water, which takes some forethought before any ride. Or you can just soak it in water that's been refrigerated, but you still have to remember to keep water stocked in the fridge. It's still a slight shocker when you put a moist, cold vest on over your t-shirt (the jacket goes over the vest). Can anybody say Tango Uniform? :-D

sarnali 09-18-2003 08:00 AM

Re: crash test
I did a stall, drop and roll wearing a first gen. JR ballistic series jacket and pants a few years back, and didn't feel a thing from impact so the pads are good, I've read on other sites that the abrasion resistance is about average for a textile suit and price wise JR stuff is had to beat.

nweaver 09-18-2003 08:23 AM

Low cost for those interested...
Just as a satisfied customer.

Newenough has mens in red (and some yellow) at a closeout price of $65+shipping ( )

They also have womens in misc sizes in black, gray, red and yellow for the same price. ( ).

My grilfriend just got one in gray (its more of a silver-gray) and is very happy with it.

dbrunell 09-18-2003 09:35 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
Arizona Motorsports has a sale on the Phoenix now too.

An oversize pair of Phoenix pants are great for wearing over your street pants or shorts when commuting.

allbikesbiker 09-18-2003 09:37 AM

Re: pics from a crash at 80 mph

Neal 09-18-2003 10:07 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
good article,though a little late for us not living in the warmer climes.My leather does just fine when cooler than75.however,I have decided my Christmas present to myself will be a mesh jacket(i guess the dirt tracker Im building will be my birthday present). A comparo of various jackets would be much appreciated.I am interested in a mesh jacket with some armor.effectiveness in hot/humid weather is paramount.Any inputs appreciated

Steven_Verschoor 09-18-2003 10:13 AM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
Nice write-up, Martin.

And it sounds like you had another kid... Congratulations!

I purchased a mesh jacket when we were having record heat a few months ago here in So Cal. I have to say, these jackets are nice... untill the weather gets really hot.

Riding through the coastal mountain ranges in 80 degree weather is fine in a mesh jacket. Riding through the desert valleys in near 100 degree weather is a pain. When the hot air start whipping over your skin, you feel like your being cooked...

You ever notice how firemen's suits don't have vents? The idea is to keep the heat out.

When the weather gets hot, these vented jackets are nice. When the weather gets really hot, I reach for the cordura again.


DaveFla 09-18-2003 05:13 PM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
I've got a month's use on a red Phoenix 2.0, and it's great- I normally wear an older HJC leather, but it's MISERABLE at any temp over 75. I don't think I'd wear the Phoenix on a road trip, but for the 10 mile round trip to work, it rules. It was low seventies here in SW Michigan today, and I was actually feeling a bit cool on my bare arms, under the jacket.

obandoj 09-18-2003 05:48 PM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
I got a First Gear mesh jacket last year and I love the thing, I live in Arizona, so it gets lots of use, here in the desert you can wet your t-shirt and get very nice evaporative cooling effect, also got a zipper installed that is compatible with my leather pants so that I can zipper them to each other for better protection. The people who run Arizona Track Days let you wear them on the track as long as they zipper to each other (leather pants) and you don't go in the expert class, so I guess they think alot of them as well. I have not crash tested the thing, and don't plan on doing so anytime soon, so I don't know how well it would hold in that situation.

El_Duderino 09-18-2003 05:49 PM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
The JR mesh with leather sleeves would be the Reactor (or Santa Fe for a toned down look).

The brand spanking new 2004 Phoenix 3.0 has that extra "Rock Tex" fabric (which is used in the non-mesh textile jackets) in the forearms and shoulders, so it should be able to provide much better abrasion protection than the old models. In order to add an extra measure of protection to my old JR Phoenx 2.0, I got some CE approved armor that is contoured to stay in place better, but the sleeve snaps are still a good idea with any armor.

Also new is the Alter Ego, basically a non mesh textile jacket that has removeable chest and back outer shell panels to expose a mesh layer underneath (a hybrid for year round use). The panels can be partially unzipped for venting only, or if they're completely removed there's a sack attached to the jacket to hold them.

jaypuck 09-19-2003 12:58 PM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
ok, I have to put this in here since I have personal experience crash testing the joe rocket stuff.

I went down one week ago today at 60 miles per hour in the jr reactor jacket. I hit the ground very hard and slid for what seemed like forever. looking at the crash scene later, it appears to be about 60 to 70 feet. I wear just the jacket, not the pants and, luckily, it didn't ride up on me. the *only* damage I got was a very nasty deep bruise on my shoulder (would have been a broken collarbone if I had not been wearing the jacket) and really bad roadrash on my wrist where the jacket slid up a bit and my dumb ass wasn't wearing gauntlet style gloves. As for the rest of me (if anyone wants to know), I wasn't wearing any other protective gear besides helmet, jacket, gloves, *khaki* work pants(!) and tennis shoes (moron)...besides the aforementioned shoulder and wrist, I have pretty decent rash on my knee and, most likely, some cartilage damage to the same knee. the shoes stayed on (surprise of all surprises). I will be purchasing boots, gauntlet gloves and protective pants before I get back out there....which will be a while with 2000 dollars worth of damage to my gixxer.

the jacket didn't tear, wear through, or give me any burns anywhere that it covered my body.

this is not an advertisement for the stuff and I'm not saying that these people are lying about speed or anything, I am just relaying my experience in the jacket to give another perspective.

obandoj 09-21-2003 02:07 PM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
Sorry about your misshap, I'm glad the ballistic nylon held up! It makes me feel better about wearing my jacket all of the time (summers are very long here in Arizona)

Guzzifuzzi 04-04-2006 12:06 PM

Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on deck.
I have a JR Phoenix 2.0 (or 3.0). Bought it last year (2005). It's great for hot weather, and it was hot in Illinois last year.

It's very comfortable, and for the vain amongst you (or those who care): it does make you look a little chubby. If it is not really hot (or if it cools down in the evening), I just wear a longsleeved T-Shirt underneath. One time it was cooler than expected and started to rain a little. No problem: The liner is quickly put in and keeps you dry.

Don't know how it would perform in prolonged rain or in a crash - and I'm not eager to find out. Thanks to those, who did have a spill and shared their experience.

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