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Old 09-04-2003, 01:40 AM   #1
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Looks like an overpriced fabric jacket to me.

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Old 09-04-2003, 01:48 AM   #2
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Arrrg!!! I really expect more from an MO article. Denier is not a measure of abrasion resistance. Denier is an measurement of weight per given length. If two threads of the same material have different deniers, then you know the lower denier is a finer thread (less area in the cross-section).


I really wish you guys wouldn't pass on bad information like this. Some people mistake you for experts.
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Old 09-04-2003, 04:08 AM   #3
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So, correct me if I'm wrong, denier is not a very useful measure unless you have some idea of the thread count that goes with it? The weave and size of the thread would determine some wear characteristics but one without the other would tell you little?
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Old 09-04-2003, 04:42 AM   #4
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You're correct is that it is useless, but I haven't seen much to indicate that weave is too critical. Mostly we should be concerned with thread melting point, tensile strength, and elasticity. Of course, that would require detailed tags and educated consumers. Slapping on "1000 denier" is so much easier.



BTW, that technically means 1000 grams per 9000 meters of synthetic thread. The length used for natural silk is different, but I've never had to worry about that so I can't remember it.



Denier does give us an idea of how large threads are relative to one another. 1000 denier Cordura will be twice the diameter of 250 denier Cordura, but don't ask how that will compare to your generic 500 denier ballistic nylon.



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Old 09-04-2003, 05:25 AM   #5
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Default Who wrote this review?

So.....who wrote the artice, ehh? Must've been the rookie intern (a.k.a. Crash). But I would hate to give credit to the wrong person. Please follow up with an thorough explanation of Denier pertaining to wear characteristics so we, your information deficient subscribers, can make an informed decision about purchasing such items.



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Old 09-04-2003, 07:14 AM   #6
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Default And "softer" rubber sucks too?

So, all things else being equal, a 250 Denier thread has an unknown tolerance to abrasion Vs. (the otherwise identicle) a beefier Denier thread?



Why do we say thicker leather is a good indication of tolerance to abrasion?



Why is softer rubber "stickier"?



Why do we publish peak bhp when we should really be judging area under the curve Vs. time and mass?



In a real-world crash, define abrasion? Non-symetrical joints (your body) poking, pulling and pushing at weird angles on a non-standard surface fraught with irregularities creates... what? Shear, stress, strain, tear, tension, etc. etc Vs hot spots and temperature absorption/dissipation/failure. Using -- all other things being equal -- overall stronger thread _is_ a valid way to increase life's so-called "abrasion" in a crash.



Lastly, what's really important here is: Defining why Lowrez has a pet peeve about fabrics today.
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Old 09-04-2003, 07:34 AM   #7
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Hey, am I rubbing off on you guys?? LOL
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Old 09-04-2003, 08:12 AM   #8
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Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me for not knowing this trivial little fact! JEEEZ! I stand corrected and will write "Denier is an measurement of weight per given length" 100 times on the MO Punishment Board! Mea culpa!!!
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Old 09-04-2003, 09:48 AM   #9
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I don't fault you for not knowing. Heck, I wouldn't expect anyone who hasn't worked with fabrics to know. However, if you don't know what denier actually is, either don't comment on it or look it up. Making a statement otherwise is just asking for someone to point out the error.
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Old 09-04-2003, 09:48 AM   #10
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Default Huh Good article

I guess I didn't catch the Denier.. Great article I thought informative etc.

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