Go Back   Motorcycle Forum > Motorcycle.Com General Discussion > Motorcycle News > Old News > MO Reader Feedback

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-25-2003, 11:01 AM   #111
KPaulCook
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,752
Default Earth to MOrons

H-D is going can Buell.
KPaulCook is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements
Motorcycle Forum
Advertisement
Old 06-25-2003, 11:04 AM   #112
KPaulCook
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,752
Default Oh yeah it's going to be a classic alright

Kind of like AMC Pacer. Ford Edsel, Pontiac Fiero etc.
KPaulCook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2003, 11:07 AM   #113
SRMark
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,465
Default Re: Burns Gets Naked With Twins!

we could all use better wind protection on this website.
SRMark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2003, 11:07 AM   #114
markszrz
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 57
Default Re: Observation & a technical question

Bold words indeed and spoken by a guy who can ride just about anything his little heart desires. For the rest of us non-JB types, you know take a loan out for 4/5 years and pay it off. It must really suck having your bike go South after the 2nd or 3rd year of the loan. However I do feel better knowing JB's "sources" tell him the "New" XB9 (Blast - please) are more reliable. No thanks I'll keep riding my 01 ZRX1200.



Regarding the VRSCA Engine. I have read that Buell is looking in to just that but we will have to see if it ever comes about. As far as the powerplant, think of the Yamaha V-Max. Has that engine ever been updated since it's conception - what 85?? If memory serves me correctly, it's just as strong as the VRSCA.
markszrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2003, 11:08 AM   #115
KPaulCook
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,752
Default The AMC Pacer of motorcycles

OK lets compare the Buell with the Ducati S4.

You are brown nosing again. The Buell is priced way to high for what it is. Speed Triple Kawasaki Z1000, Honda 919 all smoke it. You remind me of those clowns who thought a Firebolt would smoke any big 4 600. Right! Buell will be history in a few years and the Lightning is the next AMC Pacer.
KPaulCook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2003, 11:09 AM   #116
ValkBandit
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 473
Default

hey, it's not easy keeping the plumb advertisers happy ...
ValkBandit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2003, 11:18 AM   #117
draffety
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 22
Default Re: Infinitley rebuildable

I agree as well, but I think the reason that Japanese bikes don't carry the "mistique" is because they are primarily "tech" bikes. Like the latest software or electric gizmo, they change every year. As soon as you buy one it's outdated, in a year or two it's worth about half as much as you paid for it. There is not any inherent "style" that makes it stand out. If after a year of ownership your Japanese bike is "also ran" status who wants it. Sure you can drive it 100K miles trouble free, but then it is just an object of utility (not that that's a bad thing - but it's not going to make the value skyrocket or anything).



HD and the Italian companies seem to have a knack for building bikes that people are drawn to. They have a "style" to them. I own two japanese bikes and a Ducati. I love the utility that the Japanese bikes provide they are well made and easy to maintain, but I LOVE the Ducati. I don't know why. The styling? The heritage? It's air-cooled - the seat is hard as a rock, but I love everyhing about it. To me, it represents motorcycling in it's purest form. It is not trying to be the fastest, most powerful, most modern - it just says "...ride me!"



People love their Harleys and Ducs and always are looking for ways to personalize/customize them. They keep them because they LOVE their bikes - they love the feeling they get when riding them - the heritage behind it.



People that buy Japanses bikes seem to have a whole different set of criteria. They buy them because they are faster, more powerful, less maintenance - same reasons people give for buying Honda Civics, Accords, Toyota Camrys, etc... Sure, everyone in the neighborhood has the same thing, but it's the practical (even if boring) thing to do. - In a few years they will upgrade to the next "latest and greatest" model. The current one will get sold or pushed to the side of the garage to "litterbox" status.



Of course I am painting with broad strokes, but you get the idea... My point is that the Japanese bikes are "disposable" because that is how they are marketed - the new technology is the "carrot" to get you to buy a new one. They DON'T WANT you to keep it forever.



draffety is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2003, 11:21 AM   #118
markszrz
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 57
Default Re: Burns Gets Naked With Twins!

Oh my God - I am agreeing with JB! Similar bikes tested - thank you! The difference is how much do you want to spend and what's the extra $$ buying you.
markszrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2003, 11:39 AM   #119
rsheidler
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,459
Default Re: Buell--Puh-Leeze!

And I was at a track day about 3 years ago where an old guy (probably late 50s) with one f'kn arm on an ST1100 was blowing past young squids on 600s, 750 gixxers and R1s like they had at least one plug wire missing -- guy was a former hot-shot flattrack racer (that's how he lost his arm) who is one of the riders featured in the On Any Sunday Revisited movie.



I also was at a track day where a fat old guy (probably in his 60's) on an Oilhead BMW R1100 kicked my ass with my Ducati. Also a retired pro racer (which helped ease my bruised ego just a bit).



None of this says much about the realtive handling of ST1100s vs sportbikes, or R1100s vs Ducati 900SS, but a lot more about the differences between expert vs crap riders.



With equal riders, the Buell certainly would have been respectable -- maybe getting passed on the straights (where it couldn't be classed as a road hazard) but should be as good or better than pretty much anything out there on the turns.



Regards

Bob
rsheidler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2003, 11:46 AM   #120
SmokeU
Registered Member
 
SmokeU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: pet****...pet****...pet****
Posts: 1,864
Default Re: Burns Gets Naked With Twins!

OR you can buy the cheap bike, upgrade it, and have a better bike for still cheaper than the Duc.
__________________
Pretending to be purple on the inside.
SmokeU is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off