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Old 03-24-2003, 05:31 PM   #211
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Default Re: 2003 600 Shootout: Is 636cc Cheating?

YOu mean the sign that has the solid red dot on a white field, surrounded by a red circle with a red line through it?

That one?



Or are you talking about the one that has Pat Buchanan dressed up like Uncle Sam giving the finger to a group representing all the minority groups in this country?



Or are you talking about Romper Stomper?
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Old 03-24-2003, 05:43 PM   #212
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Default Re: 2003 600 Shootout: Is 636cc Cheating?

Not so fast, Grasshopper.

Harley wins dirt-track races all the time, and, er, BMW wins the, um, Boxer Cup every single year Nevermind that most dirt-tracker races are H-D spec., and nevermind that the Boxer Cup has only had one season and that it too is a spec class. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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Old 03-24-2003, 05:45 PM   #213
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Default Re: Defending Honda and the CBR600RR

"...which side their bread is buttered."?



Is that some kind of gay porn reference?

I don't get it.

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Old 03-24-2003, 05:49 PM   #214
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Default Re: 2003 600 Shootout: Is 636cc Cheating?

They reverse-engineered Hayabusa subframe tech. for that one.
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Old 03-24-2003, 05:57 PM   #215
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Default Re: Excellent Post makes me long for the good old days.

You mean the good old days when Harley owned the site?



Or the good old days when the best new content was the latest "Max Damage" comic?



Or the good old days whe there was no bandwidth for vids with sound?



No, MO has come a long way...I first subscribed because of a sort of "most improved player" sentiment. Now MO are better than the rest.



In my "What If..." world, I often think that the one moto-journo who would have really blossomed here would have been Greg McQuide. It was his writing that got me enthused enough to actually buy a bike and ride. Motorcyclist jumped the shark when Greg left us.
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Old 03-24-2003, 06:09 PM   #216
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Default Re: GRRRRRRRR!

Or you can just download Netsacpe 7.0

It is free too and handles big pic files and mpegs very nicely.

It has solved all my MO viewing problems.
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Old 03-25-2003, 12:27 AM   #217
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Default Re: Sure ....

Dag-freaking-nabbit! I lose my connection for a day or two, and look what happens.



Well, everybody else already got to you, but oh well...



I didn't say anything about the bike. Nothing. I'm sure that it's a fine piece of machinery. Remember that time you rushed in to defend the Goldwing when somebody (Longride, I think?) said that an Accord would be more useful? Same thing, there's no reason to convince me that the RR is great.
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Old 03-25-2003, 12:46 AM   #218
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Default What about Suzuki!?!?!?!?!

The shootouts of yesteryear never included "other" large Japanese company? I CAN'T believe you would take such a stupid stance.



For just one example, the GSX-R 750 recieved second place in the '00 Openbike Shootout right here on MO. Since you obviously haven't read it:



http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompa...en/00open.html



Also, you apparently have no regard for the SV and the Bandit, two of the finest bikes available, and for a bargain price!
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Old 03-25-2003, 01:05 AM   #219
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Default In another class.

It's not a 600, maybe? No, not maybe. It's a 600 shootout, and the 600 class is pretty well defined, the 636 notwithstanding.
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Old 03-25-2003, 01:39 AM   #220
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Default Re: 2003 600 Shootout: Is 636cc Cheating?

Believe, that fact is not lost on me. My point was about the weight of the bike vs. its competition. Most other open classers were like 100lbs heavier as I recall. Honda escalated the weight reduction program by resorting to a lot of expensive, lightweight aluminum (vs steel) and more costly engineering. I think back then no one cared as much because everyone said to themselves "oh!.. you -can- have your cake and eat it too, light weight + good power!"



I'll say this much: I'd be willing to bet that adding that 36cc cost next to nothing vs. trying to trim off 10 more pounds while retaining strength and longevity. Now, I know this motor is almost completely new, but what I mean is that increasing displacement, per se, is cheap typically... outside of the cost of the motor itself (which needed to be done anyway, regardless of whatever displacement it turned out to be).



If I were the competition, I'd be more worried about trying to lose weight as that starts to get VERY expensive when you've pared down as much as you thought you could already.



That Honda is like, what 30lbs heavier!?.. porky! Looks cool with that bodywork and muffler treatment... still a heavy bike.



Yamaha's fancy new frame -still- didn't get them "lightest bike", and they even have the (normally) lighter 'right-side-up' forks and wheels with slick, spindly looking spokes.



Just two years ago that gixxer seemed ridiculously light... now it's an also ran. Do you think Suzuki is all hyped up to spend the big $$ to redesign that bike to be even lighter?.. they already get knocked for suspect durability in racing circles (as did/does the R6).



How much lighter could the Kawi have been without USD forks and those big, honkin' brake-caliper mounts??



The jury is still out on the strength of this lightweight Kawi, so we'll see if it turns out to be too fragile.



Kawi has pushed the envelope here... lightest bike + most motor. Always a good thing in my book.



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