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Old 12-09-2002, 07:09 AM   #121
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Default Re: The Age-Hardened Burns: Part I Reader Feedback

Farily tightly reasoned (for Burns) comments on motorcycling image and controlling personality(ies).



Then . . some of most fatuous reasoning I've ever heard on "liberal" bias in the media. His exculpatory explanation of "smarter" people get degrees in journalism; therefore, get jobs in media because they are smarter, thus have a better grasp of the "facts" is nearly as ridiculous as Boehm's orginal comments.



Children, place nice together, and play nice in your particular sandbox. Anyone who belives PBS and NPR have a more reasonable lock on "truth" is waaaay out of his performance envelope. Anyone who believes the "liberal" cabal is a greater threat than general American stupdity is similarly reality challenged.



If Burns needs to maintain cognitive congruence about life decisions he made: cool.

But do it somewhere else.
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Old 12-09-2002, 10:22 AM   #122
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I have to admit I am qetting pretty confused about what is meant now-a-days by "liberal" and "conservative." I can remember a time when Richard Nixon was considered and arch-conservative, but many of his fiscal, social and foreign policies were considerably to the left of Bill Clinton's, who (I think) now passes for a liberal. As for the "bias" of news coverage these days, it seems to me that much of what is said by both the "liberals" and the "conservatives" is reported uncritically. The point of view that rarely gets aired is that there may be more to issues than can be described in terms of this kind of mostly meaningless duality.
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Old 12-10-2002, 05:51 AM   #123
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Now I understand why Mitch the ***** fired you! Yer a lousy pinko commie. I actually sent him a terse email for dumping the guy who was Motorcyclist's most interesting writer. The problem isn't socialists v. capitalists (or Democrats v. Republicans, as we know them), it is that the Dems have been captured by a bunch with no honesty, integrity, or morality. A win at any cost attitude. I can tolerate an honest lib or con, but not a liar. So watch it, Burns!
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Old 12-10-2002, 09:12 AM   #124
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You really don't know the difference between Conservative and Liberal, do you? I'll give you a quick example of your beloved "conservative" media.



During, following and since Dubya was elected, how many times have you seen mention of one of his daughters drinking or partying?



Now, how many times have you heard about Al "I invented the internet" Gore's son being busted for possession of marijuana, Wreckless driving, driving under the influence? I don't ever remember hearing Mr Rather utter a single peep about big Al's boy.



That's liberal bias. It's not as much what you report but what you choose leave out.
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Old 12-10-2002, 12:42 PM   #125
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Old 12-10-2002, 04:14 PM   #126
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I understand I have 135 more days of my MO subscription.If you want me to reup give me more Burns.That is why you got my money in the first place.
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Old 12-12-2002, 06:01 PM   #127
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Default Re: similar to 'claimed' vs. 'said'...

For a historical example of your point, look no further than our military history vs. Native Americans.



If a conflict is in the history books as a "massacre" the Native Americans won. If a conflict is a "battle" the Native Americans lost.
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Old 12-16-2002, 06:28 AM   #128
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I'm a journalism major, a machinist, a 'liberal,' and a hooligan. It seems to me that the motorcycle community is currently in denial about the the whole issue of hooliganism (riding wheelies, pulling stoppies, smoking through the twisties at ungodly speed). Witness Cycle World Editor Edwards recent diatribe about the infamous LA Times article criticizing hooliganism. Edwards, like most of the mc press, subscribes to the idea that there are only a few bad apples out there, and the LA Times was just trying to sensationalize the issue by making all motorcyclists look like hooligans. Meanwhile, every issue of CW features the latest bad ass sport bike on the cover, front tire clawing at the sky. Am I going to cancel my subscription because Edwards is a hypocrite? Heck no. I'm gonna go ride and practice my wheelies. This I think is what Burns is getting at: There is something unique about riding a motorcycle that transcends labels such as "conservative" and "liberal," that unites all riders in the two-wheeled community. Remember, when wheelies are outlawed, only outlaws will have wheelies.



What?



Wheelies are already outlawed?



Oh. Never mind.
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Old 12-16-2002, 09:52 AM   #129
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Here, here. What passes for "unbiased journalism" is almost always fully filtered.



There is no such thing as unbiased. Not even the weather report, since a farmer weatherdude is more likely to say "rain" with a smile. Hence, ALL journalism is a view of the world through the eyes of the human (and therefore biased) journalist. Add to this the fact that in repeated polls, most journalists self-identify with mainstream liberalism and "media bias" becomes an obvious result.



The problem is, there are very few generic John Maddens. I watch football and here a Super Bowl coach talk and he speaks from real knowledge. Sadly, we don't have any major news folk who EVER DID ANYTHING. They make a living talking about people who did something. That has to color their viewpoint. Never personally scratched by reality.
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Old 12-16-2002, 09:55 AM   #130
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Agreed.
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