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Old 12-04-2002, 08:15 AM   #91
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Default Re: The Age-Hardened Burns: Part I Reader Feedback

Speaking of over the top .... the suggestion that CNN and MSNBC are communist and socialist, respectively, certainly fits that description!



While I am not sure that I would describe them as being conservative, I have not seen anything to suggest that they are very liberal either.
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Old 12-04-2002, 08:16 AM   #92
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Hey! I'm a Liberal Republican Feminist of the McCain variety too ( best $100 I ever wasted)



Also I'm and engineer who works for the DoD.



Sorry, I just could fit into those pigeon holes.
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Old 12-04-2002, 08:42 AM   #93
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My point is that unless you invent some sort of emotionless human with no political views, beliefs, or viewpoints, then you CAN'T get the unbiased truth... the "facts". Not unless you have infinite time and infinite resources and infinite editors and unlimited opportunity for revision.



If you do come across such a "neutral" person, then why on earth would you want to hear what they have to say on an issue? They are either stupid, or some sort of pathalogically anagnostic cynic. It is impossible for normal humans to understand an issue without forming some sort of beliefs about it. And you will inevitably report the aspects of the issues you agree with and internalize better then you report the aspects of it you believe to be wrongheaded or offensive.



You appear to be bigoted against "religious programming". If you mean a group of people that aggressively defend and share their beliefs, I have seen the same or more amount of dogma and intolerance being pushed by groups in the fields of science, politics, motorcycles, and just about everything else. Go hang out on a sportbike forum for a while and see what they have to say about Harleys. Makes Pat Robertson look like a model of open minded tolerance



And if you think CNN / NPR / NY Times are somehow reporting the facts while Fox news is "editoralizing", you are blinded by your own preconceptions and world views (just as I am blinded by mine). Rush and Fox appears off the scale right to you, while CNN looks neutral. Well guess what? Fox and Rush look pretty moderate to me, and CNN and NPR look like left wing nutcases. You are making my point.



It's also a little insulting that you insinuate that people will not seek out other veiwpoints on issues. I think if I read two articles, one by Walter Williams and one by Al Gore, both discussing, say, the abortion issue, I would come away with a FAR better understanding of the issue then if I read an article from CNN and an aritcle from Time.



And if I don't want to read two different sides of the issue, are you saying they should be forced on me nonetheless? What next, education camps?





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Old 12-04-2002, 09:27 AM   #94
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****inaright. On all accounts. Send Baby Huey some Prozac.
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Old 12-04-2002, 09:49 AM   #95
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Aside from his cheap shot at liberals, which I ignored just as I sometimes ignore some of JB's cheap shots, I thought the substance of his editorial was OK.



I don't know (or care much) what an a$$hole he might have been to work for, or what are his political views.



Similarly, I felt that JB's article was generally well thought out, but I fail to see the relevance of his attack on Boem.
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Old 12-04-2002, 10:09 AM   #96
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Default That's pretty general....

Whoa...easy there, Zeus.



Who exactly are "these people"? Are you making the huge generalization that everyone who has died on a bike sealed their fate through their own self-inflicted riding stupidity? Are you also basically saying that, "If the bike didn't get them, something else eventually would because they are stupid."



So, according to you, the late Motorcyclist's FNG Greg McQuide falls into this category? He struck me as many things, but stupid was not one of them.



Did I misss something in your above post?
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Old 12-04-2002, 10:49 AM   #97
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Default Re: When *intellectuals* smoke too much pot...

I appreciate your comments and insight, though my "Ayn Rand" post was satirical... I think if you read it again carefully, you may pick up on the heavy use of sarcasm... It was not intended to be taken seriously... At least not as seriously as you apparently did. Actually, I was hoping to give someone a laugh, but I'll entertain your concerns none-the-less:



1.) Your penis?



2.) I didn't try to equate altruism with murder and genocide, Rand did... You were wrong, I do have my own free, independent thoughts... You shouldn't assume.



3.) You first scold me for needing to "hit the history books" and then go on to lecture me on how I regurgitated someone else's views... "How Lame and Hypocritical is that?" (I have just lost 70% of all readers... Perhaps even you, Bob).



4.) "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Did I miss the part on selfless service and sacrifice? I could go into MY thoughts on your comments about the WWII vets, but MO wouldn't have enough server space... Besides, I already addressed this in number two.



5.) Most recently and according to your precious sources, charity killed 2000 plus in NY on 9/11... Or didn't you hear?



6.) I didn't say the collective laws of your society have poisoned my mind, Ayn Rand said they poisoned yours... I just peacefully live here, amongst all of you.



7.) You are absolutely correct about me not being nearly as smart as I wish I was. I don't loathe the "societal sheep"... I admire them, truly I do. And if there was a pill to allow me to think as you, err I mean as the heard does, I would take two... Then I would go back and read my history books (the government-approved textbooks, of course) and you know what? When I was finished reading them I'd be a lot happier knowing I know everything... You got me, I concede.











































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Old 12-04-2002, 12:22 PM   #98
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Default Re: That's pretty general....

Excellent point, Ken



Of those I personally knew who were killed riding motorcycles, none was stupid. A couple died as a result of very stupid decisions, although they were, in fact, very bright, successful individuals, irrespective of one, momentary brain fart. Others died as a result of someone else's ccarelessness or inattention -- I won't say that the car drivers who caused these accidents were stupid either, in spite of their tragic momentary lapses of good judgement.



Of course, there are cyclists who are stupid, or at least so lacking in good sense to be functionally equivalent -- JBs wheelying, helmetless Spaniard is a good example, and their removing themselves from the gene pool is not altogather a tragic loss to society -- similarly, true of cyclists who ride under the influence of drugs or alcohol.



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Old 12-04-2002, 02:37 PM   #99
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Default Re: When *intellectuals* smoke too much pot...

1) I like my penis, leave it out of this...

2) My mistake--I could blame it on nic-fits, but lets just say I apologize.

3) Your best point. Touche

4) "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. "

I copied this from the link above--the last line of the Declaration of Independence. The written word is always open to interpretation (hence the plague of lawyers in the world) but I'd like to think it means we should keep each other's well being in mind.

5) I think it's our complete disregard for the 3rd world that's led us to this precipice, and I know there are enough people such as yourself who'd heartily disagree with me on that. So be it, it's a *mostly* free country.



Lastly I'd like to apologize for being a prick, but the response you got out of me wont be different next time I come across this issue. I'm not a religious person, but I just can't fathom how good can come from apathy.



Peace,



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Old 12-04-2002, 03:55 PM   #100
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Default Re: When *intellectuals* smoke too much pot...

Wow. You're way over my head. What books did you read that made you want to take the blue pill?



Which way to enlightenment, please?.
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