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Old 10-31-2002, 09:38 AM   #51
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Default Re: Great Arguments for Stupid People, Part II

People, can we please keep are political thought to are self. I think I speak for most of us. At least the paying one anyway. I for one subcribed to M.O. for one reason only. To read about motorcycles. If you feel the need to write about your view on politics. Please do. But don't do it here. You will lose subsciber. Btw. If you are running out of thing to write about. Maybe you could do a review on one of the new dirtbike out there.

I know some of us ride more than just street and would welcome some thing new from that department. Keep up the good reviews.
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Old 10-31-2002, 09:42 AM   #52
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Well actually it was about you.
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Old 10-31-2002, 10:28 AM   #53
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That would be an ad hominem attack.
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Old 10-31-2002, 10:33 AM   #54
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Just because I love to disagree with you Abe, I have to respond.



I often disagree with JB and do find many of his responses to not be the most well thouhgt-out. I don't see how you can disagree with this one. It readily admits that both sides paint each other with inaccurate labels (read some of your responses to me and vice-versa) rather than thinking through the argument. It then says this is bad. Seemingly the same thing you are arguing for here.



Why should we respond when someone labels us as pinko-liberal, or a knee-jerk reactionary? How does this article say that one side is any better than another? Liberals dismiss conservatives just as often as conservatives dismiss liberals.



Labels are cognitive short-cuts. Most of us could stand to listen to the other side a little more. The problem is, we tend to surround ourselves with those that agree with us. This leads us to believe that most people agree with us and that all others must be a little off. We should seek out differing opinions if only to learn.



I disagree with JB a lot of the time, but this time he is simply discussing -- mostly in a correct way -- a classic logical fallacy. Why not just agree and wait for the inevitable article that has a little more with which to take issue? Or are you actually saying that labelling someone as "liberal," "socialist," "fascist," etc., is a legitimate form of argument? It seems obvious to me that he is pretty much joking about the whole socialist thing to point out 1) How ridiculous it is to try to win an arguement simply by throwing out a label and 2) That the US is far, far removed from true socialism.



I guess in certain world views, the word is the argument. I seem to recall your saying, "When I say "Liberal", I mean those people that adhere to the leftist emotional-political worldview that emerged in the sixties. As an actual movement, that has died, but it has been resurrected in the growth of many fragmented interests that share the same side of the political spectrum (animal right groups, most environmentalists, the NAACP, People for the American Way, the ACLU, abortion rights groups, NOW, homosexual/alternative lifestyle groups, anti-gun groups, etc. etc....)," in reference to me.



Without getting into particulars, your indication was that anyone who disagrees with you does so purely on emotion, not reason. You actually stated this directly -- is that not the same thing you are acusing JB of here?



Abe, please note that I respect your desire to study history and read the philosophy of the founding fathers. The only time you really bug me is when you suggest that yours is the only possible perspective and that those who disagree are idiots. You didn't really do that so much here, but I just love to argue with you.
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Old 10-31-2002, 10:35 AM   #55
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I majored in Political Science at SDSU and love this kind of discussion and debate, however, when I click on Motorcycle Online I'm interested in reading motorcycle content. I can find this stuff elsewhere.



By the way JB, if you want to do some political stuff that is great if it sticks to issues relating to riders, e.g, land closings, EPA regs, etc.
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Old 10-31-2002, 11:02 AM   #56
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Thank You Johnny B.



Once again you prove that most liberals are educated beyond their intelligence.
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Old 10-31-2002, 11:30 AM   #57
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Yes, I know my brother, Kumbaya.



But seriously, that kind of makes the point, no? You and I sometimes look at things differently, but I think that we have always respected the other's right to his point of view.



On this one we agree...but I think we're both content with either situation.

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Old 10-31-2002, 11:44 AM   #58
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And some of 'em stink!
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Old 10-31-2002, 11:48 AM   #59
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Default uhhhhhh ......

and tell me one more time why you bother to read this thread? there are lots of pure-bike items to entertain you. why are you carping here, in a topic area that you profess to have no interest in? seems odd ....
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Old 10-31-2002, 11:49 AM   #60
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it most certainly is not. some of my best friends are hunchbacks.
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