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Old 11-02-2002, 03:47 AM   #111
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Default Re: Great Arguments for Stupid People, Part II

Oh yeah I forgot this comment for those who seemed to have come unhinged by John's little rant...Sarcasm, look it up!!!



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Old 11-04-2002, 08:01 AM   #112
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Well, at least one person got the jist of what I was trying to say.....
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Old 11-04-2002, 10:22 AM   #113
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Default You're right.....

It is unfortunate that the political left has duped the American populace into accepting ideas that were repugnant 150 years ago. Yes, even relatively conservative republicans are forced to cater to the geriatric and non-taxpaying on the issues of social security, medicare, and prescription drug benefits, and the teacher's unions on the issue of education.



For the record: I believe that state ownership/participation/regulation of any privately created wealth, property, industry, or activity is undesireable and in most cases unconstitutional. A few taxes/programs are neccesary because it is impractical/impossible for a private institution to perform the function, such as in the case of defense or the interstate highway system. Furthermore, these particular programs directly benefit everyone in the country, without exception; the case cannot be made that one person is being robbed to benefit another. That is, however, essentially what happens in every seemingly benevolent program the United States government runs. Social Security, wefare (individual AND corporate), Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, and any one of a hundred other programs and pork outlays operate exclusively on the principle of robbing Peter to pay Paul. These government-run wefare systems and benefits are immoral, unethical, and ultimately destructive to those they're trying to help. They destroy incentive and resign those segments of the population to forever exist in the poverty they attempt to relieve but merely perpetuate and augment. In essence, they are socialist, and there is no authority in the Constitution for the federal government to participate (though nobody much cares about this fact anymore, and it is routinely ignored.) At root, I believe that the heart of such ideals are jealousy and covetousness. It is more about bringing down the rich than bringing up the poor (since the poor are never brought up anyway.)



By the way, I do not believe that government should be in any way involved in education either. We are getting largely ripped off in terms of cost/benefit with public schools. The teacher's unions are the single most powerful money-grubbing political entity in the state of MN. In addition, when government controls the purse strings, they end up controlling what is taught.



Your county hospital, law enforcement, ambulance, etc...have socialist aspects, but at least they are principally under state or local control, therefore those arrangements are not in violation of the constitution. I do object when they recieve federal money to do this or that. My local PD used a federal grant to enforce seat belt usage (incidentally, by stopping people for speeding, go figure.) That means people in other states were paying to enforce a law they do not neccessarily have themselves. B.S.



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"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

--James Madison



"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

--Ayn Rand



"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."

--George Bernard Shaw



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Old 11-04-2002, 11:25 AM   #114
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Liberals occassionaly do make good arguments resting on the constitution---the bills you mentioned being among them. My problem with the liberal treatment of the Constitution is that they are very good at finding previously non-existent "rights" and justifications for their programs, while at the same time ignoring the plain meaning of the constitution and the very real rights and limits that it specifies. Liberals deify the heretofore undiscovered right to "privacy", yet the second amendment is virtually a dead letter. As well is the fourth, fifth, and especially the tenth. Furthermore, The general welfare and commerce clauses have become justification for virtually every government regulation imagineable.



As stated in another post, I think that every kind of government outlay that does not benefit every single person (or at least every taxpayer) in some real way is unconstitutional and unethical. Pork to any particular district, demographic, person, business, industry, or segment of the population is legalized theft.



I am more than somewhat dissapointed in George W. Bush. He sacrificed his conservative principles to gain political power. He signed the clearly and admittedly unconstitutional campaign-finance reform bill. His tax cuts didn't go nearly far enough to make a difference economically, and his emphasis was far too great on the economic benefits that would be gained, as if that were the reason our taxes should be cut. We are taxed at confiscatory rates, and the taxpayers are being ripped off on behalf of the non-taxpayers. The wealthier 50% of the American populace pays over 96% of the income tax burden.



I don't have the information that Bush and his cabinet have on Sadam Hussein, and I never will------but the idea of going after Sadam smacks of scapegoating. I believe we are principally at war with militant Islam, not Iraq. Iraq hasn't attacked us. If it can be proven that they had something to do with 9/11, that would be different, but our response should be proportional to their role. A huge military operation to overthrow and kill Sadam because some Al-Queda dudes were sleeping in a tent on Iraqi land near the Jordan border is a little extreme. If Sadam, on the other hand, is proven to have directly financed or knowingly assisted the terrorists, then all bets are off. That would be attack by proxy, and Sadam would be liable.



The risk to our mainland from Sadam's missiles is pretty much zero, but against China, Korea, and former Russian republics? All too real. We should already have missle defense.
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Old 11-06-2002, 09:22 PM   #115
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Eric,

Why waste your time and energy on poor Abe. Someone who can't even see the benefit of public education and blathers on about the uncontitutionality of every thing yet is not able to question the anti-terrorism bull***** is hopeless.
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Old 11-07-2002, 05:07 AM   #116
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Great ride review up in the current issue of Cycle World on the new BMW cruiser. Keep up THAT good work.



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Old 11-07-2002, 09:04 AM   #117
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Default Perhaps you should think (or read) before you speak

Anyone who can't see the destructiveness of public ownership of education and dismisses the constitution as an irrelevant relic not worthy of attention should shut their mouths before speaking untruths. I agreed that the anti-terrorism bills were instrusive, suspect, and (not that you care) perhaps unconstitutional. Why don't we just burn the constitution and be done with it? It seems that you couldn't care less what it says.
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Old 11-07-2002, 10:00 AM   #118
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Ok, JB, you got the rant right this time (unlike Part One which pissed me off for reasons I can't remember, and I don't really care anymore anyway cause I'm "busy"). If you're ever in the Hotlanta area, look me up and I'll buy you your favorite beverage and treat you to one of my favorite ceegars!
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Old 11-14-2002, 12:40 PM   #119
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> Having conviction based on criminal intimidation is.



Is...?



Is on the payroll?
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