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Old 09-29-2002, 07:23 PM   #1
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Hell...you must have just posted the article. Now, I'll have to go back and read it!
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:02 PM   #2
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Default Dyno graphs wrong?

In the article, MO repeatedly states that the Kawasaki has more power. But the dynos show another story. What's up?
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:05 PM   #3
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Nevermind, I just read the last couple paragraphs.
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:07 PM   #4
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Not quite- it *feels* like it has more power and it sure seems faster in a straight line. Read Calvin's comments at the bottom of the story. The Kawasaki engineers must have built in a killer ram-air system or something...
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:10 PM   #5
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Default Re: Reader Feedback: Honda CBR1100XX vs. Kawasaki ZZ-R1200

Yes!! This is the test I've been waiting for!



Maybe Johnny B can help me understand something: Motorcyclist's test on the ZZR showed 145hp to the rear wheel, Cycle showed us 132hp to the back tire, and now I see you got 128.5. Why is that? Is it variances between individual models or dynos; differing test conditions; or something else?



I know you have experience with all three mags, so hopefully you can shed some light on this.



The ZZR will probably be my next bike. I loved the ZX11, and this seems to be a pumped up ZX11, with an nice suit on. Yes I dig the new bodywork.



Also, how about 1/4 mile numbers? Got any?



Kudos, I knew you guys must be busy doing something. I'd take an extended ride on these two bikes as well!
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:11 PM   #6
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Default Re: Dyno graphs wrong?

The dyno graphs represent static power, while the power we felt while riding represents actual power. This is power that inlcludes things such as ram air and what not. Perhaps the conditions for the carb-shod ZZ-R was better on the day of the ride, while the FI equipped Honda had its day during the dyno run. Honestly we don't know.



Hmmm... come to think of it, the wider fairing on the ZZ-R might also be sleeker to the wind (more frontal area, but maybe less coeffecient of drag?).



These are all conjectures. Actually, it might be fun tol figure out a way to get some charged air into the intakes of future test bikes... that way, we could account for ram-air. The thing is, it would be effective only at a certain speed. I don't think we have enough resources to make a variable-type system.
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:12 PM   #7
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:21 PM   #8
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Default Re: Reader Feedback: Honda CBR1100XX vs. Kawasaki ZZ-R1200

Also, one thing I had to assume: The ZZR went 170,and the XX went 175, right? It didn't make a clear distiction, but since 175 is close to what the CBR has done in the past, I figured that must be it's speed.



If that is the case, maybe the ZZR felt more powerful due to slightly lower gearing? We know it's predessor (the ZX11) would do 175-176, so lower gearing and more drag/better wind protection could be possible factors as well. Any thoughts?
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:36 PM   #9
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Default Re: Reader Feedback: Honda CBR1100XX vs. Kawasaki ZZ-R1200

There you go. I totally forgot about the gearing... when I get into the office tommorow (around 1500pst) I'll look up the final drive ratios for both bikes in 4th gear (thats the gear we use for dyno-ing).
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Old 09-29-2002, 09:49 PM   #10
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So how's the 'busa compare? Why'd it get left out?
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