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Old 09-29-2002, 11:01 AM   #91
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I have never based any of my purchase choices on how much i'll get back when i sell it--hell, I haven't even ridden it yet, and i'm already thinking of selling it?



Let's not forget that H-D gets away with selling their bikes simply because they're "American", so they're not pressured to compete with regards to quality/technical sophistication/innovative design. However, the latest V-Rod shows that they can't rely on that forever--that sooner than later, the generation of customers that grew up dreaming of Harleys are going to be replaced by customers that grew up dreaming of crotch-rockets...and demand more for their hard-earned dollars than a logo and a cool bandana.
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Old 09-29-2002, 11:11 AM   #92
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Old 09-29-2002, 11:14 AM   #93
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Hey, I'm not a trekkie, but I have to speak up when someone as popular as William Shatner is blamed for your own hang-ups. Captain Kirk is just as American as H-D, and I think many would agree.

I'll bet you watched Star Trek religiously, know the dialog from more than a few episodes, went to a couple of Trekkie conventions, and rejoiced when T.J. Hooker first aired.



Now that you've grown some, don't deride that with which you identified with when learning more about yourself while going through puberty...It's what made you into what you are today. Too bad YOU are the putz.
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Old 09-29-2002, 11:16 AM   #94
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Old 09-29-2002, 11:22 AM   #95
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Default HD prices..

Are HD prices dropping yet? Anyone? I keep expecting to see the used HD prices drop, but I'm not sure they are.



The prices people actually pay for used HDs is not published anywhere. I see what people are asking for them, but not what they are being sold for. To see this in action, try to find a HD on ebay without a reserve. They are few and far between. 99% of HDs on ebay either have no bids or have yet to reach thier reserves. I just did a quick check of the 26 auctions that are about to end on HD bikes, not a one was going to be purchased. All had either not met the reserve or had no bids. By contrast, 13 of 26 hondas were about to be purchased for real.



Meanwhile, the motorcycle classified section in the local paper is about 3/5ths HDs. A relative of mine is selling his 01 FXDWG with 20,000 miles on it, he's asking 18,000, but hasn't been able to sell it.



I think new HD prices are coming down, there are more and more dealerships selling for msrp.



I think the only question is how fast the prices will fall. Will it be like a burst bubble, or just a slow decline as the old HD riders get too old to ride, and the factory continues to increase production?



As far as Indian goes, they are not going to be able to sell bikes at that price, no way, no how. People would still rather have a HD.
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Old 09-29-2002, 11:46 AM   #96
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Heh heh. It is amusing to see all these yuppie types buy HDs and expect them to be "investments". Much like the yuppies who bought BMW 300 series vehicles in the early 80's eventually the market is going to collapse. These old BMWs are worth squat today. The yuppie has a choice of accepting what the market will bear or lettting the vehicle depreciate further as time goes by.



The HD buying yups will face the same dilemma. As demand drops prices drop. They'll either have to take a loss on their bike or wait in the hope that the price goes up again. Highly unlikely that the HD price bubble will recur any time soon. The yups who have been driving the prices up won't be able to sell them to each other forever.



I doubt that HDs will ever become cheap. However the years of asking new bike prices for old bikes are coming to an end. Expect HDs to drop to 50-60% of new price when they are a few years old. This is still better than most Japanese bikes which drop to 20-30% after a few years.



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Old 09-29-2002, 11:52 AM   #97
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Sorry, I was in Nam when Star Trek was on the air.



And William Shatner is an wacko lefty and a nutziod putz.



I have to admit that Neve Campbell and Natasha Henstridge go a long way in making up for deficit that clowns like Shatner create for the 51st State.
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Old 09-29-2002, 11:55 AM   #98
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What makes you think that Tom Green is a comedian? Aren't comedians supposed to do and say things that are funny?
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Old 09-29-2002, 12:05 PM   #99
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Old 09-29-2002, 06:33 PM   #100
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Default Saw 'em in the flesh today...

Saw the new Indian Chiefs in the flesh today at V-Twin City in Pomona. Too much "plain" stamped looking metal, the primary is even less attractive than in the picture, and the passenger peg mounts are directly drilled into the rear prosthesis part of the frame. Just not very slick, especially for the price! Right across from the Chief was a Big Dog factory-custom chopper for about the same price. For what you pay for, you can get a lot more bike and also "coolness" than the Chief.



I'm not a big fan of cruisers, but if you're gonna spend that amount of money on an American cruiser, you can definitely get a lot more "bang for your buck" with the other remaining clone brands, or hell - even H-D for that matter!



Heard through the grapevine that Indian is going to start selling the motor seperate, just like how H-D is selling the Evo's and Twin Cam's...
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