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Old 09-28-2002, 04:47 AM   #241
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I think many of you should stick to riding bikes, rather than blathering short sited political problems or simpleton solutions. What cracks me up is how something as huge as "the economy" is one mans fault. The economy is like a huge ship, the direction at the moment was input 5 minutes ago....and we can't stop for an hour(worse than a harley!?!?). The economic problems we are seeing today are the result of events from 1 to 15 years ago or more. Economy: showed weak signs in 99-00. Enron and the others: The accounting rules where changed in the Clinton era: Terrorists 9-11 whos fault is that??: Clinton was a puss on these guys, Bush 1 should have finished Sadamn to begin with, We have aided Iran/Iraq/saudi/...this could go on forever!!! Merger mania: Reagan?!?! How about the DOTCOMs going under: that happened all by itself!!!!

All of this times 1000 adds up to our economy today!!!!

Freedom is related to economics is related to politics is related to this conversation.

Over-Controlled economies never survive. The word "free" in free market is what has created all the wonder. But there are pitfalls.

Remember; Our country was founded on freedom first. We all tend to want to protect our freedoms first, while taking away others without a thought...problem is usually one leads to another and another and then wham suddenly our freedom is attacked and we freak. We never look back and see that it all started when we willfully took or gave away that freedom we did not care about. And once gone...it rarely comes back.

Two final gripes: The environment; Yes lets protect it, but realize that much of the percieved damage is not damage at all!!! Is a dirt road through the forest damaging??? Does a dirt bike or a snow mobile really hurt??? Does dumping MEK in a river really hurt?? YES. SO LETS FIX THIS. But we have a liberal press printing all this crap about the environment falling apart, and millions of city slickers buy it and support it. STUPID

Finally: Guns. I was dissappointed to read recently that some crusier bike mag printed some anti-gun statement that was so ignorant, yet so politically correct. Gun statistics are amazing things, but again with a liberal press bias, guns become an instrument of evil, with false statistics to back it up. If everyone knew the truth about guns and crime we all would be NRA members...Or the NRA would not have a need to exist!!!

Remember FREEDOM!



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Old 09-28-2002, 05:34 AM   #242
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Politics. Our founding fathers were either very smart, very lucky, or some of both.

If every decision were made by the conservative right, I would not be able to rent a porn movie. Nudity would be outlawed even in the privacy of my own home. Sex would be outlawed until 1 year after marriage. I would have some religion half crammed down my throat. I would be a sinner for living with the woman I loved for a few years before marriage. I could never smoke pot (which I never would anyways butÂ…)

If all decisions were made by the liberal left, I would be forced to celebrate gays. I would be paying twice the taxes and still feel guilty. My electric motorcycle would have a full roll cage by law. I could never own a gun or defend myself so as to protect the rights of criminals. The only way I could enjoy the outdoors would be on a state approved "adventure pass" where I was guided through selected areas protected by surveillance cameras and armed forest rangers. I would not have to pay if I were a Sierra Club member.

We live by the compromises made from the struggle of both parties.

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Old 09-28-2002, 11:38 AM   #243
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I like Burns' writing - that's why I read him. For all you whiners out there: Do I understand correctly? You have a choice NOT to read Burns' articles, but you do and then whine about them. Isn't that like eating 5 meals a day at McDonalds and then sueing them because you're obese? Isn't that like smoking 3 packs a day and sueing when you get cancer. Do you feel obligated to read every word in print periodicals just because they're there? You dislike 1 out of 12 tracks on a music CD - do you throw it out? A great restaurant offers one item you don't care for, so you refuse to go back? Get my point? Some people take themselves way too seriously. I'm glad the folks at MO aren't amongst them.
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Old 09-28-2002, 12:31 PM   #244
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no, they're just the only ones anal enough to give a ***** what some one else thinks, Sarnali, middle-of- the- road-left-leaning-hipocryte-who-likes-to-exercise-knee-jerk-reactionary-tub-thumbing-wheezers-as-often-as-possible,,,,,Hey someones gotta do it
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Old 09-28-2002, 07:41 PM   #245
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LOL good one.
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Old 09-28-2002, 07:48 PM   #246
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I agree. As I mature, keep in mind I have only been riding a year, the more I appreciate Burns style. The more I go back and re-read his stuff. He just brings a much different prespective to motorcycle than the usual print Big Bike Mag writer. His stuff in Cycle World is much different than than the stat speak of the Sport Rider/Motorcylist guys. I appreciate both but get more joy/amusement from Bad boy Burns.
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Old 09-29-2002, 03:09 AM   #247
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Rock On Burns!
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:18 AM   #248
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DucButt wrote: >You have a choice NOT to read Burns' articles, but you do and then whine about them. Isn't that like eating 5 meals a day at McDonalds and then sueing them because you're obese?<



Actually, a better analogy would go like this:

A man walks into McDonald's and orders a Big Mac Value meal. When he opens the bag he finds a Coke, large fries and...what's this...a taco? He tells the manager in no uncertain terms that a taco is not what he ordered, and not what he paid for. The manager's response is "Look, today that IS a Big Mac. Didn't I make you several burgers last week? Do you think I'll never cook a burger again? Besides, to me all food is interrelated. Stop whining."



In order to avoid a Burns off topic rant, people would have to know that is off topic BEFORE they read it. MO should header his non-motorcycling rants as such, in order to provide for basic informed consent. This is not rocket science, MO. If you are going to change the food, fine, but change the menu as well so that people aren't surprized when the meal arrives!
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Old 09-29-2002, 04:50 PM   #249
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The amendment says nothing of the kind. Perhaps you need a grammar refresher. The full amendment says "A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." The first clause of the sentece is not a modifying clause, and the second clause is not dependent on the first. The second amendment says two things: The simple statement of fact that a well-regulated militia is neccessary to the security of a free state, and the policy-making part of the amendment, where it says that the right to keep and bear shall not be infringed. The statement about the militia makes no literal or implied condition that one must be part of the militia to exercise the right. Furthermore, in the days in which the amendment was created, the "militia" was specifically included all those private citizens who were able to fight. It did not have anything to do with a professional army.



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Old 09-29-2002, 05:02 PM   #250
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Just a few comments:



I see no error in your characterization of liberals, you are probably exactly right. You may have not even gone far enough. As for your comments on the right, the only things that are true are the comments about pot, and to a lesser extent, porn. Some areas would still allow it, depending on their constituency. The 1st amendment protects speech, specifically political speech. There is no redeeming value or message conveyed by porn, therefore it does not fall under the umbrella of "protected" speech. The nudity or sex thing is ridiculous, where did you get the idea that the "religious right" don't like it? People on the right do it like minks, they simply think it should be kept between two people and not displayed to the world. Having a religion crammed down your throat is the most egregious claim....it is specifically because this is a primarly Christian country that you are free to practice any religion you want. Go to a Muslim country and see how free you are to believe as you wish.
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