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Old 09-27-2002, 02:07 AM   #191
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Default Re:Public Education System at Work

Apparently you forgot the XYZ affair?



1. They surrendered Paris to the Germans without firing a shot. Then, to the tune of the U.S. Third ArmyÂ’s tank treads, they marched back in and "liberated" it. Then they had the lÂ’chutzpah to insist on being one of the Big Four victors after the War.



2. During Operation Torch, the would-be "victorious" French fired on U.S. forces trying to land in North Africa. (In Casablanca, the French battleship Jean Bart duked it out with the USS Massachusetts. The chowder-heads whupped the cheese-eaters). While they did fire on our forces, they didnÂ’t do it for long, being French. After the War, the generals responsible claimed they werenÂ’t trying very hard because they liked the Allies -- but, still, they had to keep up appearances. Even victors canÂ’t be too careful.



3. When the U.S. needed to bomb Libya in retaliation for a terrorist attack on American soldiers, the French refused to let us fly through their airspace. Perhaps they get confused when they hear planes overhead and donÂ’t have any German generals to escort to a shelter.



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My point is that the U.S. has allowed for the freedom of the French to not speak German when criticizing us. You think they'd be grateful, instead of the pseudo-intellectual lefty jackassery they spew constantly. The main theme is the French still suck snails now, it's just fun to irk people like you by pointing out their nefarious history.



The rest of your post is too nonsensical to address here. Gratituous assertions and shifting the argument.



History is a bottomless pit of endless wrongs. -Thomas Sowell.
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Old 09-27-2002, 02:25 AM   #192
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Default Re: Be careful to offend not too many.

Here's the deal that many have posted here. You are a posting on a site called motorcycle.com. People are looking for information on this site about motorcycles. You are ostensibly an expert in the subject. What would be *very* cool is for you to have these rants regarding something related to motorcycles. Upset about the new AMA Superbike rules? Have a really neat track day where you discovered something about your technique? Concerned about the physics of new radial brakes?



The highest degree of prestige is being able to teach. Everyone has an opinion. Few have the specific knowledge or the access to it that you have about motorcycles. It would be excellent if you shared more of it in these articles. Said articles are probably harder to write than the opinion pieces as well.



This is an example of criticizing while providing an alternative. See how useful it can be?



As an aside, it would *not* be cool to hear what Cameron thinks about foreign trade with Taiwan. First, he's an engineer by trade, and my time would be better spent reading his articles on the heat release rate of different fuels (as an example) than the aforementioned subject. Alternatively, there are experts in the field of international relations who would be better informed of foreign trade whose opinions may carry more weight. Lastly, there are alternative outlets for the internet surfer to peruse political opinion pieces. Perhaps you can write these pieces for them or in their forums?
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Old 09-27-2002, 02:56 AM   #193
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Yes. I've studied Isshin~Ryu for 14 years and practice (more like struggle with) Sanchin.
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Old 09-27-2002, 03:17 AM   #194
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Default Re: John Burns; Great Arguments for Stupid People

Only 2 subjects send the locals crazy. A Harley article or a John Burns rant and the place goes nuts. A Burns rant on Harleys may top the all time hit list ever. Don't do that one Johnny unless you have a bomb shelter to hide in. George Carlin you aren't, but fun anyway. Cheaper therapy than Paxil too!
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Old 09-27-2002, 03:28 AM   #195
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Let's see now, you posted articles about new bikes basically from info. you received from the manufacturer (i.e, there was nothing new or original contained in them) and you did it after most of the other sites on the net. You then "bang out" an article about politics that we can read if we want or not. The two are interrelated you say. Not in my world. When I ride I don't think about politics. And when I dream about a new bike I don't think about politics. I subscribed to this site to read about motorcycles, not politics or anything else. IMHO since you have been hired the site has gone down hill. In my opinion, I find your articles average at best. Just because they are wordy doesn't mean they are good. Try less wordy articles about motorcycles and maybe I will subscribe again, although I feel I should get another year free as the extra money I paid to not see ads was a waste because you guys never rectified the problem!
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Old 09-27-2002, 03:40 AM   #196
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John, how about taking the two hours or so you used to write this article, which contained your opinion about things I don't care about, and take a motorcycle for a ride and let us know how it was? That is what I do care about and paid my money for. New concept I know, but I haven't seen any new road tests for awhile. Where are they?
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Old 09-27-2002, 03:43 AM   #197
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Again, you quote selectivity. A significant portion of the founding fathers were not "Christian" in an ordinary sense. Read Thomas Jefferson's amended Bible. Read George Washington and James Madison's views.



Even more interesting, read some of the debate in Virginia Assembly over the Statute of Religious Freedom, which predates the Bill of Rights. Some delegates there even opposed an opening prayer before the assembly started.



Read enough on the founding fathers, and you can support most any view. You seem to forget that the spirit of non-partisanship lasted about as long as the time between the ratification of the Constitution and the first elections. Though Washington, by later standards, was non-partisan, those under him most certainly were not. See, even then smart people took different stances on the issues.



I reiterate, smart people can disagree.
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Old 09-27-2002, 03:45 AM   #198
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yo - what's with the "cracker" thing? ya gotta bring racial slurs into this, too? since when did MO become a freakin political site? can't we all just talk about bikes? i didn't pay my $12.95 to read the mclaughlin group...
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Old 09-27-2002, 03:57 AM   #199
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Let's relax here folks.....a brief thought on something besides motorcycles isn't a bad thing.

It's our friend JB here...he's one of us. Let's not burn the clubhouse down just yet.

would all you whiners have been happier if JB had ended each paragraph with 'damn that Trent Lott and his *#&@ HARLEY' or 'I saw Daschle riding a new 999 with one of Ben Bostrom's brolly girls on the passenger seat the other day..'

maybe it would help to think of J.Prurient Burns as our interface between the world and us. That way we can all just keep thinking about lap times and new cam profiles and whether or not to wave at harley riders until JB sounds the alarum to let us know it's time to pull our heads our of our shells and have a look around. Its a dirty job, but he's just the dirty guy for it.
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Old 09-27-2002, 04:20 AM   #200
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Default Thanks for the reply, John. Please read this...

You make some good points as well, John. You're right, I hadn't considered what the monthly column "gurus" would say about other subjects if given the proper forum. Undoubtedly some "rose colored glasses" would be crushed if that happened.



Perhaps "taking hostage" was too strong a phrase, but I definitely still think that the article had a strong political tone, even if that wasn't your "intent" while at the keys.



When MO members contribute to discussions, obviously countless points of view are expressed. When the subject is related to motorcycles, we banter back and forth, argue the merits/flaws of cruisers and sportbikes, discuss technology, etc. While we frequently butt heads, we always acknowledge and respect one another's points of view. We also have the trump card of "brotherhood" in that we are all motorcyclists. Let's face it...in the eyes of the general public, we are black sheep and when the chips are down we back our own. Fundamentally, we are all connected by the machines we ride.



Clearly however, politics is a much more divissive issue. While any intelligent exchange of ideas is healthy, and we still, for the most part, keep our gloves on while posting, it is a subject that basically tends to create two factions. We all know that this is a tense time...economically, globally and politically. An individual's political beliefs drill right down to their core and rarely do they change. When those core beliefs are challenged, criticised or dismissed, we tend to get fired up and the posting gets hot on both sides. The "core" connection of motorcycling is absent, and as a result we lose our common ground. We are either on team A or B...both are committed and neither wil falter. You got a taste of this yesterday.



When strong political ideas are expressed, it is a forgone conclusion that you are going to meet firm resistance from half of your readers (in this case, perhaps more). If it is accepted that political beliefs are as fundamental and at our core as much as our common bond/core of motorcylcing, then a portion of your readers are going to respond and defend their political ground as vehemently as if their motorcycling core has been challenged.



And so, as you are the one with the match, if you want to continue to encourage threads of this nature, then write what you please. But I, for one, would prefer to see that small amount of time and effort you expended writing this last piece instead spent encouraging other riding related discussions. You can take the lead in fostering within this site an atmosphere that celebrates all of the aspects of our common bond. If you want suggestions on topics, just start a thread and I guarantee that you'll have enough ideas in 24 hours to write until you're wearing Depends. By the posts I've read, I think/hope others agree with me.
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