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Old 09-26-2002, 12:42 PM   #161
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Default Re: John Burns--More Bikes, Less Politics

Given that the subscription is only $12, I can accept that the content is somewhat sparse and that we have to wait a long time between bike reviews or shootouts. However, I cannot accept crappy political diatribes in place of the usually excellent content of MO. It is especially hard to take given that Burnsie seems to side with liberal demoncrats, the very group of people most likely to try to ban or nueter our beloved bikes to protect us from ourselves (see lieberal arguments against guns, cars, waverunners and just about every other fun -- "if the speed limit is 65, why do you need a bike that can go over 150"). PLEASE, JOHN, USE YOUR TALENTS FOR GOOD, NOT EVIL!
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Old 09-26-2002, 12:53 PM   #162
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You practice sanchin?
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Old 09-26-2002, 12:55 PM   #163
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>>buggery would likely be low on the list of Things to Do<<



I have not been in that circumstance, but I can well imagine that, while buggery may not be high on the list of things to DO, perhaps it might be high on the list of things you would be thinking -- as in "OMIGOD John, we are f**ked up the ass!"
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Old 09-26-2002, 12:59 PM   #164
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So you are just running laps. Either you must like the view or just can find your way off the playground...



Yell again when you figure out that rubber ball.



Cheerybye



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Old 09-26-2002, 01:09 PM   #165
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Likewise.



Stand up for your right to spit. Vote Libertarian.
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Old 09-26-2002, 01:53 PM   #166
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>>Liberals want power and money and make choices based on emotion.<<



While there certainly are liberals for whom that description fits, I argue that it fits many conservatives even closer.



The two main branches of the conservative right (who have hijacked the Republican Party) are the religious right (eg Pat Robertson) and corporate fat cats (eg Kenneth Lay).



The corporate fat cats would make the most greedy liberal look like a rank amateur when it comes to desire for power and money.



As to making choices on emotion rather than reason -- explain to me how the religious right waving pictures of aborted fetuses while harrassing people trying to enter abortion clinics constitutes rational arguement, or how their homophobia is rational? Explain how rules that require that my daughter's high school can teach only abstinance as a means of birth control is based on rationality? They seem to base their morality arguements on faith rather than reason.



I agree that there are a number of conservative commentators (particularly on the internet) who DO base their positions on logic and history -- I enjoy reading them even when (maybe even especially when) my own views are 180 degrees apart.



I do not believe that either conservatives or liberals have the corner on self-serving or emotionally based thinking, or on logical, rational thought, for that matter.
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Old 09-26-2002, 02:14 PM   #167
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Good one. Speaking of which, is the barrage over yet? Safe to come up for air? Hooo, that was a good one.
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Old 09-26-2002, 02:39 PM   #168
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>>with idolatry of the French>anti-Semitic>cheese eating surrender monkeys. We had to liberate their ass twice<<



As to our bailing them out twice, lets not forget that if not for their help, we would still be singing "God Save the Queen" or that while the Germans were running over their defenses, in both WWI and WWII we sat here from a safe distance making money selling to both sides.



Take a trip to the north of France and tour the thousands of acres of military cemeteries from WWI and WWII -- there are thousands and thousands of headstones with French names, as well as those of American, British, South African, Aussies, Kiwis -- there were a whole effin lot of people who helped save their ass.



Especially in WWI, the French lost a far greater percentage of their young men than we did, so where the f#uck do you get off calling them surrender monkeys?!



Further, the Vichy French who DID surrender to the Germans were basically the same self-interested corporate big shots that would have been running ENRON if they were Americans in the early 21st Century -- the Socialists and Communists were the ones largely making up the Resistance.



Of course, if we want to condemn entire groups of people for what happened years before most of them were born, we are all in deep *****. Lets boycott Germany for its treatment of Jews (but don't mention their similar treatment of gays, Gypsies, Communists etc, because they deserved it), Russia ditto, Japan, forget it, Israel for destroying the Caananites after they left Egypt........ We won't even talk about us --slavery, Indians, brutal suppression of labor unions (or equally brutal actions taken BY labor unions).



Nope, that is a dead end -- lets get away from this "sins of the fathers" bull*****!

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Old 09-26-2002, 02:49 PM   #169
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JB, stick to something you know something about, bikes and leave politics alone since it is obvious you are completely clueless about that. You are entertaining when discussing bikes. You are a moron when discussing politics.
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Old 09-26-2002, 03:07 PM   #170
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>>the Royal Enfield single knock off from India?<<



Actually, it isn't a knock-off -- the company bought the rights and the factory equipment and shipped to to India from England.



Now Indian, that IS a "knock off" -- maybe a pretty good one, but a knock-off nontheless. The connection between the Indians my grandfather rode in the 30's and the new "Harley Clones" is non-existant.



I agree about testing a stock Harley, but I see a few posts above, MO is getting ragged on about testing Buells with obsolete Sportster motors -- guess you just can't please everyone!
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