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Old 08-23-2002, 02:48 AM   #101
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Default Re: 2002 Naked Bike Shootout Reader Feedback

Dude, there is no single bike that started the naked thing except maybe the CB750. They've been making naked bikes for decades before the bandit. I owned a 93 ZR1100 and it was just like the bandit. Honda's nighthawks have been doing the naked thing for like 2 decades now. "Naked" is just a sexy marketing term for the old UJM.



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Old 08-23-2002, 03:02 AM   #102
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Default Re: Dosen't work if all the bikes aren't tested!!

I'm not too young to remember those days and lots of bikes didn't and still don't have centerstands. How do you work on your "blackvalkster"? I know they don't have centerstands either. I guess you needed something to hang your rant on.
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Old 08-23-2002, 03:38 AM   #103
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yeah, JB, whats the story,? enquiering minds want to know
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Old 08-23-2002, 04:04 AM   #104
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Aw, man, why did you have to call me a bad name? Now my feelings are hurt and I'm feeling all vulnerable and *****. Actually, maybe I was a bit too caustic and hard on the MO boys. But, really, in their ceaseless drive to parody each other and themselves the print mags do all the pointless track tests I need to see. I thought maybe MO could do things a little differently. So shoot me, or hang me (but use an old rope, please--I'm delicate!).
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Old 08-23-2002, 04:34 AM   #105
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Old 08-23-2002, 04:51 AM   #106
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The ZR11 and B12 differ more than the basic specs might suggest.

The ZR11 was just a rehash of the 70's UJM, and that's why it collected dust on showroom floors.

The Bandit combined the big-bore 4 cyl. engine with more modern suspension, frame, and tires.

The B12 certainly wasn't the first big-bore naked bike, but it was the first modern one that people actually bought.



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Old 08-23-2002, 05:26 AM   #107
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I AM SICK OF RACE TRACK TESTS. I particularly hate them when STREET focused bikes get evaluated by that means.



What a bunch of hooey. I like Motorcycle.com very much. Its the ONLY magazine I read anymore. But I am not going to swallow this muck. You want to ride R1s and GSXRs on the race track, be my guests. But ZRXs, for crying out loud?



with your obsession with the race track, I can see why bikes that are street focused never get an even break.
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Old 08-23-2002, 05:29 AM   #108
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We don't get the XJR 1300 in the US.



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Old 08-23-2002, 05:50 AM   #109
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Hence why I said similar design theory. A no dive front end was all I was getting at. Without the brake dive you get full suspension travel under hard braking. On several of the MotoGP tracks like in south africa where they race trucks there are large bumps or ripples in the turn entrys. With more suspension travel available in theory you should be able to brake later into those turns. Or I could just be full of it. Either way I eagerly await BMW's entry into MotoGP to see if a racing telelever stands the industry on its ear, or is forgotten and written off...
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Old 08-23-2002, 06:15 AM   #110
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Default Re: Where is the previous naked bike winner?

I can tell you they are a hell of a lot more fun than one would imagine. Tall and narrow they are excellent for tight traffic. Though you will instantly become a punk, wheelies at every stoplight, looking for potholes or speed bumps to catch air off of, resisting the urge to cut through the park and wheelie through the sandbox, etc... It took a month to break the bad habits when I bought my K12RS. BTW K12s dont jump as well as one might think, though they are eager to head skyward on san francisco streets.
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