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Old 08-21-2002, 03:48 PM   #231
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Default Re: Helmet Laws

A pen name of RihardNixon is an interestig one in light of your comments. Had his subversion of the constitution during Watergate not resulted in his resignation, ol' **** wanted to take a very facist like control of the American government in ways that would have made helmet laws look tame, ie life for failing to wear a helmet.
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Old 08-21-2002, 06:59 PM   #232
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Default Re: ''Helmet or Thick Skull'' Reader Feedback

Ok Ok ;Enough already ;nobody and I mean nobody has the right to will'fully disobey the laws of the country.If your State says you need to wear a helmet then grow up and wear it,or leave.After all its thier ball & bat they say how to play thier game. If you want to exercise your Rights ,rather right to protest a law go ahead but dont try and lie to the rest of us about how safe it is to not wear a helmet. Go away in a corrner and pout like the sniveling litltle babies you are . Or you can just ride and follow the laws and or suffer the consequences. Me i'll just ride and trust God for my saftey (along with helmet , boots and jacket) & on a really long hard ride protective pants .
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Old 08-22-2002, 05:30 AM   #233
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Default Re: Stop flattering yourself...

squibs?



we all view issues from our own perspectives. you are a paramedic so you're exposed to that part of it. if you worked in a hospital, where all the sick people end up, you would see that the number of bikers is relatively small, whereas the number of seriously ill patients with lung cancer, diabetes, and alcohol-related nastiness is huge.



so applying your "limited resources" logic, we should outlaw cigs, white sugar, and alcohol. welcome to russia, komerade.
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Old 08-22-2002, 05:52 AM   #234
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Default The AMA advocates helmet use Burnsie

JohnnyB,



Why is it again that you aren't a member of the AMA? You really should go to the AMA website and check out their position statement on helmet use.



First paragraph



"The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) has always encouraged the use of helmets, gloves, sturdy footwear, and protective garments in general, as part of a comprehensive motorcycle safety program to help reduce injuries and fatalities in the event of a motorcycle accident."



Go ahead and send in your 39 bucks today.



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Old 08-22-2002, 06:30 AM   #235
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Default Re: OK, so where does this argument really lead?

Only a knee surgery from playing with the kid- long story. So whose expense account do we charge that one to?
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Old 08-22-2002, 06:31 AM   #236
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Default Re: Helmets should be ILLEGAL!

Hmmmm... The thought police need to wear helmets when they are writing filter code.
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Old 08-22-2002, 06:48 AM   #237
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Default Mad Cows, Statistics, and Trauma

People are nuts. We are not really from this planet, and we are not, as a species, very rational. We should have all been lion food a long time ago, and roaches should rule the planet. OK, I feel better.



Now for the non-rant version. Any kind of gradual problem, like smoking, eating too many cheeze burgers, having three beers every night, stays off our minds because the deterioration is so insidious. We react to acute problems, like sudden head injuries, and put much more weight on them. There are people who won't get on airplanes because they "are not safe" but don't wear seatbelts because they are not comfortable enough. There are people who don't eat meat because a few unfortunate souls have gotten mad cow disease. Those same people will eat things that could transmit e. coli or other bacteria or viral problems with a much higher probablility and will kill a whole lot more people every year. The press feeds this kind of irrationality, too.



So, if you smoke, you have a near 100% probability of having some serious problems, but they are gradual and you don't notice much day to day change in your wellbeing. If you fall off a bike, especially if you are helmetless, you might have a very abrupt change in your wellbeing. Even though the chances that you will fall off are quite a bit less than 100%, people irrationally put a lot more significance on that chance.



So, really, we are all idiots. We are different kinds of idiots, but there you have it. The fact that we even exist as a species is proof enough for me that there is a benign God looking after us. There is no chance that we would have survived this long on our own!
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Old 08-22-2002, 07:09 AM   #238
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Default Re: Bunch of Liberal double talk

No, the chief issue was to fix the major failing of the Articles of Confederation which was so weak that it could accomplish nothing. One of the reasons for a new Constitution was to create a central government that could enforce revenue collection as opposed to "voluntary" contributions to the government under the articles. In addition, when reading about limited government in the Federalist papers, remember that these were newspaper editorials written in an attempt to convince voters (white male property owners in most states) that the government would not be too powerful; they certainly were not an argument against those that wanted a more powerful system. They do not necessarily reflect how these men would put there ideas into practice, especially Hamilton.



Jefferson himself was the king of extra-Constitutional action. He acknowledged that he did not actually have the legal power to carry out the Louisiana purchase. Didn't exactly slow him down.



Not to mention the fact that the states could pretty much run roughshod over civil and political liberties. Not until the 14th amendment did the rights in the bill of rights become applicable to states. States could and did do many things worse than requiring inhabitants to wear helmets.



I am not saying I don't sometimes fear for my rights and for the rights of others. As noted above, I just think we go too far sometimes in looking at the reasons we had limited FEDERAL government in the late 18th century and about grouping all of the founding fathers into one like-minded category.
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Old 08-22-2002, 09:00 AM   #239
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Default Re: Democrats and Socialists......

It used to be that is was survival of the fittest. Now days its survival of the smartest. There are many more ways today to take yourself out of the gene pool than there was 150-years ago. The smart don't, and the stupid do. Its no longer physical strength, but mental prowess that ensures survival.
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Old 08-22-2002, 09:05 AM   #240
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Default Re: ''Helmet or Thick Skull'' Reader Feedback

"Helmet laws are nothing less than the publics' way of persecuting all the evil, mean, daughter-stealing, hell-raising, grandma-scaring bikers who've just plain pissed-off John Q. Public for the last 50 years."



Funny how the Harley guys (read 1%er's) started this crap and now the sportbike riders are getting all the bad publicity while Harley riders they are the "good boys" of motorcycling. To much of the public a Harley with straight pipes is cool while a sportbike with loud exhaust is annoying. Go figure.
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