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Old 08-14-2002, 02:50 PM   #31
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Great article!!
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Old 08-14-2002, 03:01 PM   #32
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I agree with all of your ideas but I would add a tax incentive for motorcycles and scooters but I am sure some will be against that. Also folks need to factor in the political and military costs of Middle Eastern Oil. My opinion is that we have to comprimise our ideals too much for oil. We end up getting in bed with the Saudis and other Arab monarch like states who opress women and other minorities. We spend a fortune in keeping the miltary on site in the Gulf. The cost of foreign oil is not totally reflected in the price per barrel I am a conservative by the way and a vet. I don't think we can afford running around the globe fighting wars to protect oil (Iraq, weapons of mass destruction is a cover for lets protect oil). Eventually we are going to get burned by that strategy. I don't want to have young kids die over something like oil. Especially when we can do something about it.
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Old 08-14-2002, 11:48 PM   #33
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I totally agree with you on the doomsday stuff. I was beginning to think everybody in this thread had bought into the global warming bit.



If somebody wants to drive an SUV the size of my bedroom, let 'em. I seriously doubt that there is any way that my day-to-day life is being compromized for it, and it makes them happy (though I don't think I would ever drive something that large just for posh appeal).



But anyways, lower gas prices! Return of big cars! I'll ride a bike whenever I can anyways.
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Old 08-15-2002, 12:27 AM   #34
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dagnabbit, I live in Lancaster, CA... right next door to Palmdale!!



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Old 08-15-2002, 01:17 AM   #35
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In reviewing merican english history, it appears that those words that you mentioned started to be misspelled right after the Boston Tea Party? Since that time, I think we do it just cause we can .
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Old 08-15-2002, 04:39 AM   #36
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No, it HAS to go to road construction. It goes in the various state Road Funds, by law.
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Old 08-15-2002, 08:41 AM   #37
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Maybe I chose the wrong word. "Idiotic" would be more accurate. Wishing a gas crunch on the USA just so the SUV will become extinct, for the sole purpose of satisfying someones distain for the SUV is at best idiotic thinking. I got news for you, you are outnumbered. How would you like it if the SUV drivers decided to ban motorcycles because of a few hooligans lane splitting and such. If you think about the odds for a moment one name comes to mind, "Custer".



A gas crunch, not only would it have potentially catastophic consequenses on the economy, it would devastate resale values of larger vehicles.



I cannot believe this anti SUV thing to begin with. It seams some of you feel that bad drivers are all driving mini vans and SUVs.



Fine, lets pass a law that every SUV and Mini Van driver must go to the nearest Honda dealer and turn in their current ride for a new Civic. When those same drivers cut you off, pull out in front of you, make the famous left turn etc. and cause you to crash and die, you can go to your eternal rest with the comfort that it was NOT an SUV that caused your demise.



As far as the economic and environmental issues go, the marketplace will decide all of that as it allways does. All this talk of trying to legislate peoples wants and desires is borderline socialism, people vote with their wallet. Trying to control it is futile, proabition, yeah that really worked.



Is that clear enough?



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Old 08-15-2002, 05:33 PM   #38
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Default Praying for Devastation of Large Vehicle Resale Value...

Well, I'd say it was forcefull. I'll give you that.



In the scenario you put forth with all the SUV drivers trading in their big rigs for Civics, it sure would be better for visibilty, for parking, for the environment, for decreasing US oil consumption as well as wear and tear on the roads; I guess that is comforting.



you said:



"A gas crunch, not only would it have potentially catastophic consequenses on the economy, it would devastate resale values of larger vehicles. "



I gotta tell ya, that cracked me up. Anyone with me? Devastated resale values on gas guzziling behemoths? If that was phrased instead as:



"after the gas crunch, no one will want new or used SUVS anymore"



then yes, that is part of my dream.



Okay, so we have different dreams, opinons and priorites. Fine.



Combining your opinons expressed here and in the excellent pro/anti SUV argument thread after Burns' article "Friday Fanatacism" (4/12/02) I can see that:

*)you don't get why people see SUVs as gluttonous and wasteful: "I cannot believe this anti SUV thing to begin with"

*)you boast of your boat with a "Supercharged intercooled big block ($100 a day in gas cost),"

*)you advocate that others "come over to the Dark Side, were having fun!"



I'm not advocating outright prohibition of SUVs and big loud fast boats, and don't wish to have the gubmint legislate away gluttony. You have your dreams and ambitions, I have mine. Reinstating the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards and giving that legislation teeth, and taxing gas to support a national effort to kick the US's addiction to middle eastern oil would still let you persue your right to the rapid persuit of happiness, and be for the greater good.



I realize advocating long term thinking and a retreat from gluttony is quixotic in the current climate. (I think Custer deserved to be massacred, so I won't use your example,)



The US has a chance right now to lead the way (again), to show the world the path from oil dependence with our R&D capabilities to develop alternatives and increase efficiency. Oilmen in the whitehouse and ever more, ever larger SUVS on the roads here showcases our failure to do so, and it enrages me. Sound socialist? With GDubs in office, and **** "Bum-Ticker" Cheney telling him what to do, you got the oil men in your corner running the big show.



But ever so many scientists are joining the consensus that that climate is going to get warmer and warmer; it seems plausible that the house of cards relationship we have with OPEC will eventually crumble, especially if we kick sadaam's ass again against all the Arab world's wishes.



It is not news to me that I'm "outnumbered" by the masses that disagree with my opinions. I take that as a badge of pride, just as I do the fact that I ride and the vast majority of people don't.



I won't come over to "the dark side."



I believe history will show the minority was right.



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Old 08-16-2002, 06:40 AM   #39
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*)you boast of your boat with a "Supercharged intercooled big block ($100 a day in gas cost),"





You know, I hate to burst your bubble, but $100/day in fuel for any boat bigger than a ski boat is *&^% GOOD!!! Let's see.....most of the boats I sell average around 15-20 gal/hr. - gas or diesel. Gas runs about $2.50/gal, diesel about $1.75/gal. 8 hours x 18 gal/hr=144 gal. For diesel that about $252; gas=$360.



Hmmm...could it be you are ranting about things you don't understand?



I would love to see fewer SUVs on the road. Seems to me that most of the people out there would be better served with a minivan or sedan. After all, how many people are really using them for anything but commuting?



That said, I'm not going to try to legislate them out of existence. That's a slippery slope my friend. The next thing you know they'll want to take away my pickup, my gun, my boat, and my bike 'for the public good'.



I don't like it; I may tell you I don't like it; but I'm not going to force you to get rid of it.

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Old 08-16-2002, 06:59 AM   #40
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I don't (and didn't) claim to be knowledgable on pleasure boat fuel consumption. However, you're telling me the boats actually suck fuel down even faster than I thought. This is not weakening my argument about consumption of fossil fuels.



That being said, I'm glad we agree on SUVs. I also hope it's evident from my posts that I don't think SUVs or big-ass boats should be legislated out of existence. If gas gets way more expensive (either through taxes or political trouble in the Middle East) people rich enough to pay 350 clams a day for gas in a boat that costs 60 grand or more will keep on truckin', I'm sure. Hopefully the masses will start driving smaller vehicles though.



Also, nice website you got there. Damn some of those boats are big.



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