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Old 08-14-2002, 11:07 AM   #21
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Default Re: Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

Yes! Please Dare!



Even remotely, what kind of policy are you thinking about there?



How can we hasten the demise of SUVs?
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Old 08-14-2002, 11:37 AM   #22
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Default Gotta disagree on that one.....

Well, gotta disagree on that one.



I do not own a car. I also live in New England, and ride year round (in the winter if its not snowing, or take public transportation if it is.)



I realize that's not an option (the pub-trans) up there in Gorgeous VT, but one's back up vehicle can be something that gets good gas milage, no? Plenty of fellow hardy vermonters and mainers are pushin' Subaru's and whatnot, instead of ford Exploders and Heavy Suburbans, etc.



And yes, a 15mpg (some are worse!) SUV is more wastefull than ANY pleasure bike. In resources, wear and tear on roads, gas consumtion, pollution, and space taken up for parking& in traffic.



I hear you on not wanting the gubmint to legislate common sense & whatnot, but damn, people are going to drive these horrible things until it becomes too economically painfull to do so. I'd like that to happen sooner rather than later.

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Old 08-14-2002, 11:48 AM   #23
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Default Re: Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

The trouble with raising the gas tax is that the gas tax collected all goes into road construction. Road construction has really made a mess of this country. Road construction INCREASES the size of the roads and makes SUVs more comfortable and practicle. Semis too.

We need smaller roads.
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Old 08-14-2002, 12:38 PM   #24
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Default Re: Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

Well, at the risk of being flamed and recognizing that this is a complex topic of which I have not a great amount of direct knowledge, I would hazard a few suggestions.



First, tighten the fleet gas mileage requirements for manufacturers and rewrite the laws so that SUVs and light trucks are either included in the overall targets or subject to targets of their own. In the past, these fleet gas mileage requirements appear to have been very effective in motivating manufacturers to come up with ways to improve mileage, and I think it could work again.



Second, do more to encourage the development of hybrid vehicles. These technologies appear to be on the brink of maturity, but the cost they currently add will not be offset by their increased fuel efficiency unless the price of gas increases many times. Therefore, some kind of subsidies might be in order until the volume of hybrid vehicles brings down the price of manufacture to the point where the vehicles are cost competitive. I think there may be are some subsidies for these vehicles planned, but I'm not sure about it. In any case, there seems to be no technical reason why midsize cars should not be able to deliver 30-40 miles per gallon, and even giant SUVs 20-30 mpg, which would go a long way toward reducing oil consumption.



Third, there may be a place for ethanol or other bio-based fuels. These are currently more expensive than gasoline, but subsidies to make these fuels more competitive might be justified when you consider the total cost of what it's taking to protect our oil lifelines.



Of course, these are only a few tactics and would clearly not solve the whole problem, if the probelm is defined as energy self sufficiency for the U.S. They woudl have to be part of an overall strategic commitment to reach that goal, and I am sure that other technologies and strategies that haven't even been thought of would be required to get the job done.



But then again, maybe it's naive to assume that in this era of global commerce that the U.S. will ever be able to get along without its extensive overseas military committments, so maybe there really isn't any money to be saved by reducing our dependence on foreign oil. Maybe the whole concept of energy independence is a chimera and not a worthy policy goal. In any case, though, the above suggestions would at least result in more efficient, if not smaller, SUVs.
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Old 08-14-2002, 01:21 PM   #25
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Default Re: Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

Ah, interesting. But the money doesn't HAVE to go to road construction, right? Theoretically, it could go to funding alternative energy research, like BioDiesel (www.biodieselnow.com) so that trucks aren't using angry OPEC fuel.



Heck, why not spend the money on bike paths, rider education, and increasing awareness of motorcyclists?



Why not lower the taxes/tolls on motos to encourage their use?
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Old 08-14-2002, 01:28 PM   #26
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Default now THAT was a fabulous post.

Yes, Yes! Preach On! Testify!



Well said indeed.



But it seems that as a country, we won't motivate to undertake your excellent, and reasonable suggestions, unless we have a gas crunch.



Doesn't it seem logical that it would be PATRIOTIC to drive/ride something that decreases our reliance on foreign oil?



Public attitudes are so set against fuel efficiency/alternate fuel research right now. But as a country we're like a big junkie, and the OPEC is the pusher-man.



Regardless, thank you SO much for your thoughtfull post. That is just what I was hoping to stir up.!



keep ridin! it's good for you/good for your country!

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Old 08-14-2002, 01:37 PM   #27
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Default Re: Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

I don't fall for those "hurt the other guy" politics. I don't want special exemptions. I think that such proposals are evil since they are merely a subterfuge to pit one group of citizens against another. Sooner of later the power that is wielded against others will be used against those who acquiesed in the misuse of that power. It never fails.



In any case, as long as the political power of the major nations and corporations are tied to the use of oil for our energy production these entities will fight bitterly any attempt to actually switch from oil dependency. They engage in campaigns to raise the cost of energy because it enriches their own pockets while squeezing Joe Sixpack. But, switch from oil? Never.



I've got an idea. Try assessing heavy taxes in your own State. See how it goes.



The Earth's current average temperature is still below the mean temperature for the last 2 thousand years. The worst predictions of the CO2 warming model are still lower temperatures than those that human civilization has already comfortably survived. (ref. Medieval Climate Optimum). Oh wait. The CO2 model has been discredited, as are the predictions of the new Ice Age that the same doomcriers were screaming about in the 70's.



Weren't we all supposed to starve to death by 1980 according to these same experts?



Frightening the public is the main method by which the govt amasses more and more fascist control.



Maybe if you like the way things are done in Europe or Japan, you should emigrate. I've lived in Japan so myself I'll say, "No thanks."

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Old 08-14-2002, 03:31 PM   #28
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Thanks for the info. Rossi is a terrific rider the Schumaker (Formula 1) of MotoGP.
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Old 08-14-2002, 03:32 PM   #29
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I think MotoGP would be fancinating since they don't come to the U.S. right?
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Old 08-14-2002, 03:49 PM   #30
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Default Re: Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

Hear! Hear! Death to the fascists! For further info, read "The Road To Serfdom" by Hayek (sic). By the by, I do commute on my Beemer.
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