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Old 04-03-2002, 06:27 AM   #21
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Not to mention.....WAY cheaper than renting a drag strip..
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Old 04-03-2002, 06:41 AM   #22
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RE: 954 vs R1 lap times explained:



From AMAsuperbike.com horsepower explained:



"riders want a wide power band. If given the choice between seven more hp @ peak rpm and 500 useable revs, well take the 500 rpm every time"

The rider wants to keep the engine revs between peak torgue and peak HP. Look at the torgue and HP curves from the tale of the tapes, R1 = 11200-8300 = 2900 of useable revs,

954 = 11500-8000 = 3500 useable revs!



3500-2900 = 600!!







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Old 04-03-2002, 06:57 AM   #23
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Point not taken. But the R1 makes the same torque at/around 6000 rpm that the 954 makes max at 8000rpm. I don't think anyone would complain about more power and it being a little less linear (or not). so make it a usable 4900rpm if you want to use silly logic. It's a lot more complex than that, considering max torque, hp, and gearing. Tire circumference (sp) too depending what tire brand and how much rubber you got left.
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Old 04-03-2002, 07:00 AM   #24
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Please take the next available MSF safety class in your area! Most states will wavier the skills test after passing the MSF course. Also, unlicensed riders are involved in 3 times more fatal motorcyle accidents...!!!

Get your license, be safe and have fun!

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Old 04-03-2002, 07:10 AM   #25
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Dear red_rider,

Thank you for leaving San Jose! My wife and I ride Hwy 9 on our Harley and our Mtn bikes. Racing on Hwy 9 and Skyline is just plain stupid! I ride my F4i at Laguna and Sears point.

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Old 04-03-2002, 07:14 AM   #26
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And don't forget to brush your teeth!!
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Old 04-03-2002, 07:35 AM   #27
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Keep up this type of testing! Sure is nice to have something to look forward to and not have to wait a month to get it. You guys are kickin' the ass of those monthly mags in much the same way as the Gixxer is kickin' ass at the track. And I'm not even a sport bike fan. I hope you are having as much fun doing the test as it sounds like from your writing.
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Old 04-03-2002, 07:37 AM   #28
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The Honda may have more useable torque past peak horsepower; the curve for the R1 just stops in the dyno traces at about 10200 rpm.

If you try to apply his argument to the GXSR it looks like a little bitty powerband, but in fact the peak torque is flat all the way back to 8000 rpm. Awesome.
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Old 04-03-2002, 07:38 AM   #29
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1st off my compliments to to MO staff. to date this is the most comprehensive shoot-out on

record. it provides more useful information and comparison that allows us readers to make an intelligent choice based on our abilities and planned usage. that said here's how i see it:



for the average rider doing mostly street duty with an occasional day long ride it looks like the Honda is the best choice.



more experienced rider that throws in a track day now and then can't go wrong with the Yamaha.



for the balls-out guy that really knows how to ride and lives for track days the Suzy is the only choice.



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Old 04-03-2002, 07:40 AM   #30
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Sorry, 11200 not 10200.
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