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Old 02-02-2002, 04:24 AM   #11
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just a year behind?, try three!
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Old 02-02-2002, 04:28 AM   #12
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BOTTOM LINE, PERIOD.
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Old 02-02-2002, 05:11 AM   #13
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Great review. Thank you for the information. Isn't it cool how what just a few years ago would have been considered way over the top is now approaching mundane, e.g. 130 bhp, lurid wheelies w/o dumping the clutch, etc? I remember not incredibly long ago thinking thay my TDM850 ran like a scalded cat! Anyway I am of the school of thought that says go light so my new 954rr is in the mail. Cheers!
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Old 02-02-2002, 06:52 AM   #14
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You need a VTR1000F.
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Old 02-02-2002, 06:53 AM   #15
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Kind of looks like the chain is f'ed up on the R1. Screwed up chains will make the dyno results jumpy.
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Old 02-02-2002, 07:20 AM   #16
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Default Re: the 'Bird & 'Busa...

Good point! MSRPs are reasonably close, too. The VFR is often considered a (Honda) techno showcase, but in fact Honda and Suzuki invested considerable technical expertise in those "absurdly fast motorcycles" (AFM) - anything that can exceed 175 mph is certainly entitled to membership in that club! (No slight intended to the as yet unmentioned Kawasaki ZX12R; it can play at that level, too).



Now, just for the sake of idle speculation... If the '12R, 'Bird, & 'Busa could each lose about 100 pounds (45.5 kg), comparisons to the R1 and its ilk might be an interesting exercise... hmmm..?
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Old 02-02-2002, 08:17 AM   #17
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Default Re: ...it can handle any street, road or highway I need to handle.

I agree to a certain extent. I have put about 4000 miles on my year old (to me) '97 cbr1100xx. This past summer I was riding with a friend of mine, he was on his 2001 VFR. Of course we had to trade off to see what good things we could say, and bad things we could think about the other guys bike. The VFR is really a great motorcycle, but I don't think that it's price is justified. In comparison to my XX, the VFR was only slightly more comfortable, but it was way down on power. I stalled the bike the first few times I tried to start from a stop because I expected so much more torque than it could give. I must say that its controls were all smoother, and the suspension felt very soft over bumps yet controlled.



My XX came with a Corbin seat, Heli bars, zero gravity windscreen, and racetech front end, and only 4300 miles for $7500. Compare that to $9500 for the VFR and I really don't think there is any comparison. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
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Old 02-02-2002, 08:22 AM   #18
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the gsxr-1000 proves many things, this is top on my list.



magazine editors are not the great riders that they thought they were.
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Old 02-02-2002, 08:53 AM   #19
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I think this is Honda being foxey with the Insurance Companies as the new standard for for much higher premiums is 130-133rwHP, just a guess. I'm waiting for a ST1300 anyway as I like to have things with me when I get where I'm going ; after the initial adrenaline of speed wears off, and the dust clouds settle.
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Old 02-02-2002, 09:32 AM   #20
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No matter how you cut it, 130 + hp at the rear wheel is impressive. How about comparing bikes taken from public sources (dealerships, reader's unmodified rides etc), dynoing them and compare those results to the "prepped" bikes that are supplied to you by the manufacturers? If anything, it would be interesting to see how power outputs compare between CA emmission legal bikes and the rest.
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