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The_AirHawk · 11-21-2007, 06:21 PM

Fighting for answers: Daughter of Methuen man killed in crash pushes for law change - EagleTribune.com, North Andover, MA

Thoughts? Comments?

It's dicey, how do you balance Constitutional Rights with those of the Victim/General Public?

longride · 11-21-2007, 06:49 PM

I believe this law already exists in Florida. Constitutional Rights? What are those??

sarnali2 · 11-21-2007, 07:04 PM

Washington State already requires blood tests for any accident involving a fatality, I don't see how it's violating anyones rights. Drunk drivers kill people everyday, as far as I'm concerned they should hang them on the Court House lawn until the crows eat them. This hand slapping repeat offenders crap doesn't do a dam* thing to stop them. They give up their civil rights when they endanger innocent people with their selfishness and lack of self control

seruzawa · 11-21-2007, 07:32 PM

Seems to violate probable cause. What if you are sitting in your car and not moving after drinking three beers and someone who is sober except for taking Valium loses it and crashes into you... not an uncommon situation since Valium really screws up judgement. Watch the guy who is minding his own business get arrested while the Valium addled soccer mom waltzes off scot free.

I say, if you are going to test everyone then you test for any other common drugs, legal or not. Most people are unaware of how many people are driving under the influence of pain killers, anti-depressants, antihistamines, etc., that are just as dangerous as alcohol. Some don't mess with the motor reflexes as much as they screw up the judgment. Someone on Valium or Prozac might just drive through a red light simply because he doesn't give a shyt whether he kills anyone or not. Some of these drugs are known to cause homicidal urges. This might explain many of those cases of extreme road rage. Don't tkae my word for it. Check the FDA labeling on these drugs. Homicidal ideation is a side effect of many of them.

V2Rider · 11-22-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa

Seems to violate probable cause.

I would think killing someone would be enough probable cause.

sarnali2 · 11-22-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by V2Rider

I would think killing someone would be enough probable cause.

"The road was icy, those 15 beers had nothing to do with it Sir"

seruzawa · 11-22-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by V2Rider

I would think killing someone would be enough probable cause.

Oh heck I don't care I was just imagining what the defense lawyers are going to say.

mscuddy · 11-22-2007, 11:09 AM

...feh, there is no law anymore..it's the law of how much money you have to buy justice. If I had enough money, I could have put that ahole who hit me in jail, but no funds=no justice. Welcome to the new US Monocracy, where you pay to play.

V2Rider · 11-23-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa

Oh heck I don't care I was just imagining what the defense lawyers are going to say.

There goes my second career as a comedian.

anrajala · 11-26-2007, 06:50 AM

The problem is that if someone has alcohol in his blood the guy gets nailed whether he caused the accident or not.

That's how the logic of the moral majority goes. If you smoke and you get cancer, hey, tobacco killed you. So what if many people who never smoked die of cancer.

We had just recently a big hulabaloo in Finland of deaths caused by narcotics. If you bothered to read the small print, anyone with a whiff of pot was classified as "death caused by drugs" even if the hapless dude was in the backseat of a Fiat Punto stamrolled by an eighteen wheeler.

- cruiz-euro

11-21-2007, 06:21 PM	#1
The_AirHawk Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Livin' in a Van: down by the Mariana Trench Posts: 10,891	Proposed MA Law will require tests in Fatal Crashes Fighting for answers: Daughter of Methuen man killed in crash pushes for law change - EagleTribune.com, North Andover, MA Thoughts? Comments? It's dicey, how do you balance Constitutional Rights with those of the Victim/General Public? __________________ *Parfois, on fait pas semblant* Sometimes, it's not pretend Oderint Dum Metuant Let them hate so long as they fear политики предпочитают безоружных крестьян Politicians Prefer Unarmed Peasants Nothing to see here, Citizen. Move along now...

11-21-2007, 06:49 PM	#2
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	I believe this law already exists in Florida. Constitutional Rights? What are those?? __________________ I'm a knucklehead

11-21-2007, 07:04 PM	#3
sarnali2 Aging Cafe` Racer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sittin' down by my window, lookin' at the rain. Posts: 8,132	Washington State already requires blood tests for any accident involving a fatality, I don't see how it's violating anyones rights. Drunk drivers kill people everyday, as far as I'm concerned they should hang them on the Court House lawn until the crows eat them. This hand slapping repeat offenders crap doesn't do a dam* thing to stop them. They give up their civil rights when they endanger innocent people with their selfishness and lack of self control __________________ "Carpe` Throttelum -Loud Suits Save Lives" "All the BMW riders in the room, I want you to leave. Now. Out. "

11-21-2007, 07:32 PM	#4
seruzawa Robby Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 16,803	Seems to violate probable cause. What if you are sitting in your car and not moving after drinking three beers and someone who is sober except for taking Valium loses it and crashes into you... not an uncommon situation since Valium really screws up judgement. Watch the guy who is minding his own business get arrested while the Valium addled soccer mom waltzes off scot free. I say, if you are going to test everyone then you test for any other common drugs, legal or not. Most people are unaware of how many people are driving under the influence of pain killers, anti-depressants, antihistamines, etc., that are just as dangerous as alcohol. Some don't mess with the motor reflexes as much as they screw up the judgment. Someone on Valium or Prozac might just drive through a red light simply because he doesn't give a shyt whether he kills anyone or not. Some of these drugs are known to cause homicidal urges. This might explain many of those cases of extreme road rage. Don't tkae my word for it. Check the FDA labeling on these drugs. Homicidal ideation is a side effect of many of them. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

11-22-2007, 11:09 AM	#8
mscuddy MODERATOR X Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Next to my still checkin the temp. Posts: 5,444	...feh, there is no law anymore..it's the law of how much money you have to buy justice. If I had enough money, I could have put that ahole who hit me in jail, but no funds=no justice. Welcome to the new US Monocracy, where you pay to play. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.

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11-26-2007, 06:50 AM	#10
anrajala Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,490	The problem is that if someone has alcohol in his blood the guy gets nailed whether he caused the accident or not. That's how the logic of the moral majority goes. If you smoke and you get cancer, hey, tobacco killed you. So what if many people who never smoked die of cancer. We had just recently a big hulabaloo in Finland of deaths caused by narcotics. If you bothered to read the small print, anyone with a whiff of pot was classified as "death caused by drugs" even if the hapless dude was in the backseat of a Fiat Punto stamrolled by an eighteen wheeler. - cruiz-euro