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seruzawa 06-11-2007 06:07 AM

Why no track?
 
Other countries no EPA, CARB, DOT, DOI, Sierra Club, Torts out of control, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.



Who in their right mind would try to build a track near a large population resource in the USA?

TheFox 06-11-2007 06:23 AM

Re: Why not here?
 
Many of the European tracks are converted airfields and facilities from WWII, and America just doesn't have that. People move near established sporting facilites and then complain about the noise, the crowds, "it's not a nice place to raise a family", and lobby for change. Nevermind the fact that usuall the facility was there first; people tend to think they have "rights" and 9 times out of 10 it's a ***** and bull show.



The market for a sportbike is not there. It's just not. People have shown time and again that if it doesnt win the comparison, it won't sell. The constant updates, the nearly impossible competition, and low profit margins will simply put a stop to it. Not to mention the fact that cruisers are much better suited to American roads, more popular, and easier to make money on. Still, Victory has problems, and Polaris is a giant in the "powersports" world.



We don't need more high paying industrial jobs. We need people who don't think they're entitled to the world because they do something a robot can do, and have a realistic expectation of what they should be compensated with.



A premium to buy American? Send this message to GM, Ford, and Chrysler.



--The Fox

TheFox 06-11-2007 06:23 AM

Re: Why not here?
 
Many of the European tracks are converted airfields and facilities from WWII, and America just doesn't have that. People move near established sporting facilites and then complain about the noise, the crowds, "it's not a nice place to raise a family", and lobby for change. Nevermind the fact that usuall the facility was there first; people tend to think they have "rights" and 9 times out of 10 it's a ***** and bull show.



The market for a sportbike is not there. It's just not. People have shown time and again that if it doesnt win the comparison, it won't sell. The constant updates, the nearly impossible competition, and low profit margins will simply put a stop to it. Not to mention the fact that cruisers are much better suited to American roads, more popular, and easier to make money on. Still, Victory has problems, and Polaris is a giant in the "powersports" world.



We don't need more high paying industrial jobs. We need people who don't think they're entitled to the world because they do something a robot can do, and have a realistic expectation of what they should be compensated with.



A premium to buy American? Send this message to GM, Ford, and Chrysler.



--The Fox

Tadgh 06-11-2007 06:23 AM

Re: Why no track?
 
european emissions legislation is every bit as restrictive as the US, plenty of cars which pass the tests in america cant be sold over here because they dont conform to our regulations, both on noise and pollution regulations.



most track days now have noise regulations at road legal levels, same for some motocross tracks and definitely all enduro and off road racing.



i envy the states with the vast tracts of wilderness and area that we dont have over here, especially with the tree hugger and safety mentality that can put a stop to all fun.



i would love to see an american sportsbike plus some good offroad machinery. it was a pity cannondale went so far with their bikes rather than evolving a little at a time....



maybe the route to go is to buy the parts and assemble them into a american engineered frame and eventually evolve a complete bike once the expertise has been built up..like the lots of the smaller euro manufacturers did

priday 06-11-2007 06:26 AM

Re: Why not here?
 
I would say market forces... Harley is building what people are buying. I don't have the exct numbers, but if I am correct, cruisers represent by far and away the greatest volume segment (here anyway).



1. the Japanese companies are Light Years ahead of everybody else, if not in their abilities then at least in efficency, therefore it is difficult to build a competitive product with respect to Price. And what's the point of doing something if it's not profitable?



2. Look how Buell gets dissed. Not much of an indicator that people are willing to break from the Japanese. You know larger companies HAVE to be looking at the situation, and the cost/benifit analysis must just not make sense.



~Rob

seruzawa 06-11-2007 06:27 AM

Re: Why not here?
 
I still believe that the Big4 lose money building sportbikes. Without the fat profits from the cruiser/dirt sales these 2 year redesign cycles would become 8 year pretty danged quick.

seruzawa 06-11-2007 06:29 AM

Re: Why not here?
 
Ha! Triumph builds a superior 675 triple and the dweebs still clamor for R6s.

Kenneth_Moore 06-11-2007 06:30 AM

A premium to buy American?
 
Harley does it every day, with great success.

schizuki 06-11-2007 06:34 AM

Re: Why not here?
 
"I'm certain buyers would even pay a premium price to "Buy American" for the US equivalent of the bikes we're buying from Japan, Europe, even Korea."



Sportbikes tend to be bought by younger people. They have very little in the way of a "Buy American" ethos. Check out their cars - the #1 choice of the young is the Honda Civic.




seruzawa 06-11-2007 06:36 AM

Re: Why no track?
 
So, they are building new tracks in Europe?



The States with vast wilderness areas have become plagued with tree huggers who have taken control of the Forest Service to a large degree. In fact the main requirement to work for the USFS is an LE degree not one on wlidlife, ecology, etc. So it won't be long before all that BLM land out west is closed up and regulated out of use as well. Just look at the stupid Shoshone preserve in SoCal for a glimpse of the future.





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