Go Back   Motorcycle Forum > Motorcycle.Com General Discussion > Motorcycle News > Old News > Misc News

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-25-2007, 08:41 AM   #21
longride
Super Duper Mod Man

 
longride's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Anywhere they let me
Posts: 10,479
Default Re: kpaul asks the hard questions.

You got it. He slipped big time, but the entity that is KSquid somehow continues on, as if it never happened. Wonder why nobody has ever seen him? I don't. He's a fraud. Period. End of story.
__________________
I'm a knucklehead
longride is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements
Motorcycle Forum
Advertisement
Old 01-25-2007, 08:42 AM   #22
mii54ws
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 66
Default Re: Engine Break-In

This is the breakin procedure for aircraft engines after overhaul. Now if this is the method for an engine that has no "curb" to pull over to, just a hard landing wherever, then it is the method I use to breakin auto/motocycle engines. Oh, BTW, Honda, Kawasaki, etc advocate easy breakin BECAUSE THEIR LAWYERS TELL THEM TO. A rider trying to ride a new bike as MotoMan suggests, can lead to more single bike accidents from rider inexperience WITH THAT BIKE. SO LAWYERS....LAWYERS demand the company to not call from hard accelerations in the first 20 miles. It's sort of a "DUHHHH!!!!".
mii54ws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 08:45 AM   #23
ksquid
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: My new favorite site is CycleWorld.com
Posts: 3,775
Default Re: kpaul asks the hard questions.

incorrect...
ksquid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 08:45 AM   #24
BrowningBAR
Snuggles

 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In a really, really, really old farmhouse
Posts: 4,369
Default Re: kpaul asks the hard questions.

Hey, can you shot me the slip up?
BrowningBAR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 08:53 AM   #25
manalagi001
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 127
Default Re: Engine Break-In

Folks. Who keeps an engine for very long anyway? Very few of us will rack up more than 25,000 miles on an engine before selling it, and even that is just not very much time on a modern engine. Most motorcycles will be crashed or sold down the moto-life-chain before they'll wear out. I really think that fast break-in or slow break-in, few if any of us will be around to experience the difference. Obviously bikes are not flat-out seizing from fast break-in procedures, or sucking oil, so it really doesn't seem to matter that much.



However, that doesn't mean I'm all for fast break-in. Some of the fast break-in people are starting to sound as obsessive about loading the engine as other people are about babying it. I think the key here is to just chill and not worry about it too much. Don't worry about babying it to the point of excruciating restraint, and don't stress about putting max load on it so you get perfect ring seal.



After all, ring seal isn't everything anyway. There are other reasons to break in a bike with at least a modicrum of restraint. For one, there are other parts that need to break in as well: your tranny gears, your clutch plates and brake pads, your tires, and your suspension components. Until your bike is broken in you don't want to stress it to its limits, because the rest of the bike won't be performing at its best yet anyway.



The second reason to break in with some measure of restraint is that you, the rider, probably aren't peforming at your peak yet either. Take some time to get to know your bike. If you follow a reasonable break-in period you'll be gradually working your way into the bike's capabilities. It's just good sense to take your time getting to know a new bike.



That said, manufacturer's break-in schedules are oftentimes overly tedious. Take them with a grain of salt. If it says not to exceed 7000 rpm before 500 miles, don't sweat it if you hit 10000 once or twice in quick bursts. I take the recommendation to mean that I shouldn't hold it wide open at 12000rpm for a few freeway miles. That's just asking for trouble-- maybe even on a broken in bike. After all, race bikes don't sustain maximum rpm for several miles at a time when cruising around the track. They only pop into those rev ranges for very short periods, then it's shift, brake, etc.



Take a few hours to sit in the gargage, drop, and mind meld with your bike's mechanical components. You'll know what's right from then on out. You'll feel it. Ha.
manalagi001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 09:04 AM   #26
ksquid
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: My new favorite site is CycleWorld.com
Posts: 3,775
Default kpaul asks the hard question again and aircraft engine thing

No actually that doesn't make any sense at all. Having a note in an owners manual that says go easy doesn't protect anyone it's irrelevant. If the note wasn't in there and some squid goes and rides his bike normally or hard and gets hurt, for what grounds would someone sue the manufacturer? All owners manuals say operate within the traffic laws that is the legal disclaimer.



I also challenge you break in procedure for aircraft. Because, piston aircraft engines are different i.e. most are air cooled running at low rpms.. Meaning they might not need a easy going break in period like a high revving inline 4 without hydraulic valves i.e. since I have some stick time I can't really imagine not going full throttle with foot on rudder to take off.. i.e. how would you go easy on take off? Maybe the retired Air Force Colonel who was teaching me was wrong huh?



ksquid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 09:06 AM   #27
sLam
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1
Default Re: Engine Break-In

Actually, part of the R&D for modern engines is to leave them running at max rpm for over 24 hours. Something you'll never do on the street..but it's a test the engines have to pass before they even make it to you!
sLam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 09:09 AM   #28
Fenton
Founding Member

 
Fenton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Arvada, CO
Posts: 1,900
Default Re: Engine Break-In

I never think twice about it.



Fentonman break-in:



1. Peel sticker of of tach.

2. Ride "normally"

3. Change oil at 100 miles or so.

4. Ride a bit more spirited.

5. 600 mile service.

6. Go nutz

7. Sell before the major service and repeat.
Fenton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 09:13 AM   #29
manalagi001
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 127
Default Re: Engine Break-In

I was just re-reading motoman's advice, and he's actually pretty reasonable. He says, and I quote, 'Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach.' He also seems to think that his "quick break-in" doesn't have to be extreme. He says, and again I quote, 'You don't have to go over 65 mph / 104 kph to properly load the rings' And also, 'most new sportbike owners can't resist the urge to "open it up" once or twice, which is why more engines don't have this problem!! An additional factor that you may not have realized, is that the person at the dealership who set up your bike probably blasted your brand new bike pretty hard on the "test run".'



With that, motoman admits that he's not suggesting you beat the crap out of your engine. Just that you load it with some discretion.



He's not saying THRASH IT! In fact, he stresses that you should warm up the bike thoroughly and that you should VARY your rpm and load. Know what? That's just what owner's manuals say to do.



So now I'm of the opinion that these two schools of thought are not really from different planets. The controversy comes from people taking good advice and taking it to the extreme in either direction. Don't break in your bike by letting it idle in the garage for the first 500 miles. And don't break it in by redlining it along the freeway for the first 500 miles either. Use the mind-metal meld and do what feels right.
manalagi001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 09:15 AM   #30
ksquid
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: My new favorite site is CycleWorld.com
Posts: 3,775
Default Re: Engine Break-In

"Sell before the major service and repeat." key step.. huh... When I was single I had sports cars and I never kept a car longer that 2 years...Fun times.. My wife always gives me crap about that..
ksquid is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off