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Old 12-23-2006, 04:54 PM   #11
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I have to agree with MJS on this one !!



Unless you were going to fast, not enough distance in front of you, or just the lack of experiance, you "Crashed ". That is a fact.



Let me add, that, If you own a gun, or are into martial arts, or on a team playing football, you have to practice. Weather in the stunt business, or on the street, you have to know what your doing, and how to do it, or the consequences are yours, in full view. Attitude, is weighed, on both sides of the fence.



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Old 12-23-2006, 07:06 PM   #12
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I'm an MSF instructor and I've got to say I was dumbfounded when another instructor I was working with told a student that he preferred to ride a certain style of bike because it would be easy to lay down in case of trouble. Seriously?! "The reason you are here oh fresh young budding rider is to learn valuable skills that you can develop to keep yourself out of such situations, or the correct reactions should you end up in a bad situation. Please do not listen to the gentleman to my left!" I have to agree that talk of laying a bike down is either ignorance or some way of saving face after crashing.
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Old 12-23-2006, 07:47 PM   #13
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I had to "Lay" one down once. I was backing into a parking space, down hill, when I slipped and simply laid my vfr on it's side. Other than that, I've almost tucked the front a couple of times due to overly happy braking.



What's this "rear brake" you speak of?
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:16 PM   #14
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Yes Lay-R-Down is a proper emergency braking manuever that instructor seruzawa of the International School of CruisersCanStopFasterThenSportbikes teaches.
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Old 12-23-2006, 09:52 PM   #15
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A couple of my bikes have layed me down - or actually thrown me up - and it sure wasn't on purpose.

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Old 12-23-2006, 11:04 PM   #16
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When I was a MSF instructor, one of the ladies in the class stated how her husband saved their lives by laying his Yamaha Venturer down. They had some pretty serious road rash but were otherwise fine. I then asked how much damage was done to the bike when it hit the truck that left turned in front of them. She said nothing but the damage from laying it down because the bike came to a stop before it reached the truck. Hmmm.....
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Old 12-24-2006, 02:26 AM   #17
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Oh yeah? How ‘bout this one? I’m riding on Route 17 in Vermont, west to east over the Appalachian Gap, with three other riders. I’m in the lead setting a brisk pace on my hopelessly outdated V-twin SuperHawk. . I came smoking into one of the many blind left hairpins to see a moose taking a leak right in my line. What did I do? What could I do? I had to "Lay-R-Down" on the left side and slide under the moose, simultaneously frightening the moose off of the road and using the left side of my leathers to squeegee the moose urine off of the asphalt, thus providing safe passage for my comrades. Damage to the bike was minimal, the moose is unharmed, my leathers look great with the scuffs, and my friends are alive today because of my heroic actions.



Now teach that in your MSF course!



(In case you’re wondering, there is no way I just made up the moose story to explain a lowside caused by too much throttle at the apex of the turn after a clumsy transition from the brake. That would suggest a crash caused by series of errors on my part – too much speed for the conditions, poor manipulation of the controls, etc. Yeah, like that could happen.)

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Old 12-24-2006, 03:22 AM   #18
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Laying er down might have merit in some situations, such as when its inevitable youre going to Tbone a car at an intersection.



Probably depends on your brakes and instincts. On my klr I've been able to evade problems using the bikes agility, because the brakes sure werent up to the task a couple of times. Never felt the need to lay er down but many old timers swear by it.
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Old 12-24-2006, 03:52 AM   #19
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I'd say unequivocally that anyone who says I had to "lay 'er down" is lying. No one does that. It's just trash talk. How do you practise it anyhow? It's on the level of someone who claims he is going to buy a new Buell. It's pure bs from people who have to create exaggerations to add spice to their miserable boring lives.
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Old 12-24-2006, 04:28 AM   #20
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Oh yeah! My favorite place to be: skiddin' along on top of an out control hunk of spark throwin' metal with 2 or 3 gallons of gasoline underneath me! YEEEHAAAWWWWWW! Kinda like Slim Pickens ridin' the H-bomb to Moscow in Dr Strangelove.
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