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Old 10-24-2006, 06:17 AM   #21
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If the first post is correct, then a 'hydrogen economy' is just a placebo supplanting a real solution. However, one thing to keep in mind is the overriding need to 'get off' fossil fuels. The missing key is to find ways to generate the hydrogen gas without using natural gas or other finite resource. The low energy density of hydrogen is a serious concern, and certainly puts the wisdom of 'switching' to it in doubt.



The cleanup of diesel emissions is more immediately interesting to me than all the hydrogen related stuff.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:19 AM   #22
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oviously the gasoline route is more efficent enegry wise.



Even plaining old natural gas is less enegry efficent , then add on top converting it to hydrogen! it's pretty rediculious.



(by energy effecent I mean the rate of return vs the energy investment)
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:22 AM   #23
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electric and batteries I believe are a lot closer to being a good energy carrier methoid than hydrogen... we already have almost all the electric wiring infastructer, and we already know how to make electricity with out burning fossil fuels.... (solar, wind etc. all good proven ways)



so why the heck would we switch to hydrogen? and why don't we switch to electric ??
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:29 AM   #24
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I say we generate power via huge windmill farms at places like Martha's Vineyard, Marin County, Malibu, etc.....
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:31 AM   #25
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I've already moveed my funds into bonds because I'm anticipating a demorat takeover with the inevitable resulting business crash.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:31 AM   #26
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Because batteries make less power as they lose stored energy. And the recharge time is too long.



Your car makes as much power with one gallon of gas in the tank as it does when it's full.



Electric vehicles will always be a "second car."



If you're wife is going into labor are you gonna tell her "sorry honey the car is re-charging."
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:33 AM   #27
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I can hear it!



Chugga chugga W! chugga chugga Big Oil! chugga chugga Link! chugga chugga Halliburton!
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:33 AM   #28
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Hey, wait a second. I just read through my copy of the US Constitution and once again I can't find anything about a right to not be offended. So eat it, Honky!
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:37 AM   #29
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Perhaps you have forgotten it's a "living document."
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:39 AM   #30
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I know a couple people that had those GM electric cars, they were pretty pleased with 'em. Never had any problems, kinda pricey up front but cheap to operate.



Good option to have one in a two car family, still had the gas hog for long trips but the electric had plenty of range for the daily commute & errands, etc.



They were all on lease, GM stopped renewing the leases and took 'em all back & scrapped 'em.



Too bad we don't pay for Bushs war by taxing oil/gas (rather than simply borrowing the money from the Chinese)... it might provide a little more incentive for electic cars & such
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