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Old 06-19-2006, 06:05 PM   #11
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Default Re: The Latest in the Steeler Saga.

The fact that the other driver was at fault is irrelevant. Ben was not a licenced driver; was riding a Busa which is the furthest thing from a beginners bike; and he should have been wearing a lid as required of all new riders.



Face it. Ben is an ass who screwed up big time and in the process set a bad example to others who look up to him.
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Old 06-19-2006, 06:13 PM   #12
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Default Re: The Latest in the Steeler Saga.

How many of you believe he was doing less than 35mph?
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:17 PM   #13
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Default Uh, ever heard of carrying a passenger?

They don't have to be licensed, but if they aren't they must wear a helmet.

You are correct though, the way the sentence is written is pretty stupid.
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:28 PM   #14
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Default Re: Only licensed motorcyclists are allowed to ride bareheaded in Pennsylvania

what that means is if you have the endorsement, no brain bucket legally required. if you only have the learners permit, you must wear a helmet. we have the same law in ohio.
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Old 06-19-2006, 09:06 PM   #15
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Default Re: The Latest in the Steeler Saga.

"The fact that the other driver was at fault is irrelevant"



Um, no, it's not. It's very f***ing relevant.



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Old 06-19-2006, 09:07 PM   #16
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Default Re: The Latest in the Steeler Saga.

Since it was the face plant into the concrete AFTER hitting the car that caused the most injuries, I believe it. His injuries were relatively light otherwise.
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:32 AM   #17
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Since it was illegal for him to be on that bike at all, fault must be at least equal. The car was at fault making a turn, but he was at fault for even being there. And 2 violations, no license AND no legally REQUIRED helmet.
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Old 06-20-2006, 03:07 AM   #18
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I think he did 35.....all the way into the car. Never touched the brakes and did a face plant into the windshield. I bet he had brain freeze. She turned and he froze. Classic crash scenario.
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Old 06-20-2006, 04:26 AM   #19
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Default Re: The Latest in the Steeler Saga.

Seems to be a LOT of damage to the bike, for only a <35mph crash (more like a 35mph Head-On = 35+35).



Especially considering how little the car was damaged. You could clearly see where Ben had struck the car with his face........
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Old 06-20-2006, 06:09 AM   #20
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A few years ago coming back from Sturgis I was in a group of riders with my son on the back of my Glide and my wife on her Yamaha Radian behind me. We were on Hiway 2 about 20 miles west of Grand Island. We didn't know the group we has joined as it was just one of those things after leaving a gas station. Anyway, this guy on a Sportster was leading the way and then it was an SUV and then me and then the wife and others. All of a sudden this Jeep Grand Cherokee came flying through the air going the other way but in the ditch to my right at high speed. And the SUV in front of me slowed to a stop and got out all agitated and yelling that the guy on the Sportster was somewhere down the embankment and had crashed because of the Jeep. We found him all crumpled up in the weeds just short of a barb wire fence and he was twitching, bloody and face down with his mouth in the dirt. He was having trouble breathing and looked bad but we flipped him over so he could breath. By devine intervention a couple of nurses just happened to be tooling by and came down and stablelized him and an ambulance was on the way. The Jeep Grand Cherokee shows up and it's this approx 70 year old lady and she had know idea what mayhem she had caused. The ole battleaxe said she had fallen asleep and had finally woken up after she had darn near taken us all out. These old biddies on meds driving puts us all at risk everytime we head out on the road. I assume the guy lived and do know that he was also coming back from Sturgis and was 20 miles from home. The evasive ditching of his bike probably kept him from getting killed head on by that stupid old bag.
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