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m_t_yeo 04-22-2006 11:24 AM

Re: Jesus H!
And wind wasn't an alternative for you?

I did some research a half decade ago for the same switch you made and IIRC, wind was considerably cheaper to generate power from than solar power. Wouldn't you be able to put up a turbine out in the boonies?

maladg 04-22-2006 11:43 AM

Re: The Million Can March!
Yaaawwwwnnnn. Er, I was awoken from my peaceful slumber by leftist drivel, uninformed yokelisms, flat earther moonbat yowls & other silliness.

Did ANYONE but me hear that there is a refinery crunch on right now THX to the EPA.

1. 50+ regional blends mandated when we could get 95% of the way there with 3-5 blends.

2. MBTE which was mandated into fuels by EPA - ooops, gets into the water supply and causes trouble - so being mandated back out...right now.

3. Normal ramp-up of outdoor activities as northern hemisphere slides into spring & summer.

4. Refineries still down from Katrina.

5. Major refinery repairs usually happen in mid spring - no hurricanes, weather not too warm nor too cool, demand flat. But this yr, near 1933 conditions in OK, N TX, etc. And don't whine to me about "global warming". The PNA, ENSO, NAO, AO, PDO, etc., are all mirroring 30's it was/is hot & dry with big swings in temp and rainfall. Don't know what I'm talking about? HELLLO, GOOGLE. Go learn something and quit wasting everybodies time.

So what prices are up. Give up a pack of smokes or a 6 pack this week and tough it out, whiners.

Rising prices will spur increased supply later. Supply & demand curves don't exactly snap into equiblirum overnight, don't-cha-know...

We have petro running out our ears. Whiners: I condemn you to a rainy weekend digesting the life works of Julian Simon to be followed by a basic economics course. If oil stays in the $70/bbl new supplies from sands & shale (more than all the middle east even when the finds were new) will be online in 4-8 years.

Whiners. Timewasters.

And one more thing: you people that want to "solve problems" that you have utterly no understanding of are, in the long run, the most dangerous people on the planet. You Luddite losers.

Someday I'll tell you what I really think. But not today!

dmorga1 04-22-2006 11:52 AM

Re: The Million Can March!
Uhhh. . .did you flunk math? Let's not get into semantics of exorbitancy. Uh, if their MARGIN was the same, they would be making the same profit or less, because volume is the same. Remember, we're at max output. Hehehehe. . . right.

Your analogy is severely flawed. Prices of American homes are dictated by what people want to pay. There is no shortage of residences in this country. The same is not true of oil. The country currently cannot live without it, which is certainly part of the problem. Thus, big oil can charge whatever it wants an most folks can't do anything about it in the short run, except try to drive less. Many of us can't afford to upgrade to more fuel-efficient vehicles.

It used to be that the way you ran a business was to make a "fair and honest" profit. This is the age of the robber barons all over again, execpt without all the philanthropy (if at least that can said about Rockefeller and the lot).

BMW4VWW 04-22-2006 12:05 PM

Re: Jesus H!
Wind is not a good idea in a mountainous and tree covered area as gusty turbulent air tends to wear out wind turbines very quickly.

ksquid 04-22-2006 12:05 PM

You are confusing cause and effect
No you are getting cause and effect mixed up... Click the link in my post.. Balanced budgets create low interest rates which cause a growing economy. A growing economy doesn't cause higher interest rates. Government borrowing crowds out privat borrowing thus cause higher interest rates. If the Fed doesn't race interest rates we will have rapid inflation.. Right now the economy is growing due to massive government spending like if you went and charged up you credit card. Sooner or latter youhave to pay it off...

dmorga1 04-22-2006 12:06 PM

Re: The Million Can March!
You're terribly funny. Let me see if I can translate "BWAAHHHHH. . .BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH EEERRRRRRG" from your post into slightly more meaningful blather.

Your points appear to be:

1. It's the EPA's fault for high prices, despite few authorities appearing to agree with you.

2. Increased demand (which happens every year) is affecting us extra special this year.

3. Refinery capacity is low (but then again, if it wasn't Katrina, they always find reasons to shut down lots of refineries for "repairs"). I remember when folks like you said that Enron was just following market forces and that Californians should stop whining. No, no manipulation anywhere!

4. Regardless of curent climate conditions, apparently you also feel that global warming does not exist, even though Bush and his three neurons has finally acknowledged that this *might* be a problem.

5. Hey, the economy is slow to compensate. Gee, thanks, Adam Smith.

6. I don't smoke and I don't drink. Maybe I should give up eating instead?

Lotsa love, jackass,

Your Friend,

Luddite Loser

ksquid 04-22-2006 12:08 PM

Excellent Post Again in a competive market profit margins stay the same
You nailed it again. If the cost of oil was increasing and the cost of making gasoline was increasing and sale of gasoline was increasing in a competive market profit margins would stay the same..

ksquid 04-22-2006 12:13 PM

Excellent Post
You nailed it, in a open and free market profit margins (% profit) stay the same..

ksquid 04-22-2006 12:17 PM

Excellent Post
I am glad you clicked post. Cause honestly Bush is the worst president in US history.. I hate to be the man or woman who has to clean it up.. It took 12 years to clean up Reagan vodoo economics. Courageous Bush Sr and then the extremely intelligent Clinton.. balanced the books.. Bush Jr. then took daddy's (Uncle Sam's rather) and went on a spending spree..It's Econ101...

fastoldman 04-22-2006 12:34 PM

Re: Jesus H!
Thanks VWW. I don't know quite what we're going to do, but I'm not ready to give up just yet. This country is capable of amazing stuff when we get around to it. I love the probably mis-quoted Churchill: "The Americans always do the right thing - once they have exhausted all other options."

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