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Old 01-29-2006, 02:37 PM   #11
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Some of you bros talk about crossing a dbl-yellow to pass as if it's a legal option, only to be avoided because it pisses-off cagers. Sorry, crossing a bdl-yellow is a moving violation in all 50 states. Objective dangers like an unforeseen oil slick or sand patch that result in a crash are generally not judgement-based. Conversely. embracing subjective danger by ignoring the law, which in the case of a bdl-yellow is clearly common-sense based, only maximizes the probability of a bad outcome, whether from anothers road rage or a less sinister source. There came a pivotal point early in the incident when Stern decided not to roll-off the throttle and enjoy the day, but to pass in violation of the law. To what extent did his poor judgement contribute to what followed? In fact, knowing the neurotic and sociopathic types that comprise our society and fill our roads, at what point does irresponsible behavior like this suggest an almost suicidal tendency? Clearly, for those of us who are reasonably stable and capable of comprehending the risks associated with riding a motorcycle on public roads, acceptance of the fact that no one out there is looking after your welfare but yourself, is fundamental.
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Old 01-29-2006, 02:44 PM   #12
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<blockquote>Its just our "Law Makers" trying to justify their jobs with a trendy catch phrase.

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I think it's quite a bit worse than that actually. Crime is crime, but somehow a crime commited due to hate of a particular "protected group" is more severely punished. Essentially, it makes one's motivation as much a crime as one's actions. Who knows what motivations will be illegal next?
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Old 01-29-2006, 03:15 PM   #13
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To answer your question about the AMA, they are, indeed, lobbying for enforcement of laws that prosecute killers of motorcyclists, and enactment of new laws if required.



If you were an AMA member, you would know that. Why aren't you a member? Is there some other organization out there that is better, that I should be a member of?
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Old 01-29-2006, 03:19 PM   #14
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Double yellows are notoriously pervasive in the US. Go to Europe and ride. No-passing zones are rare. For some reason, we in the US are content to let the government tell us how competent we are.



On the road, the lowest common denominator rules. Motor vehicle codes are written for them.
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Old 01-29-2006, 04:03 PM   #15
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OK, excess is an American tradition, but it's the law, nonetheless!
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Old 01-29-2006, 04:04 PM   #16
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I'm not on medication and however eggregiously wrong the driver's actions were (VERY!), the biker seems to have had a chance to back down and walk away.



OF COURSE he didn't deserve to die for not doing so, but as it turns out that's exactly why he did die. We all know very, very well how many angry assh0les there are on the roads. So, avoid them. Dicing with them may feel good, but if you're not surrounded by a couple of tons of steel, you're going to lose in any real confrontation.



It's just a version of the old "don't bring a knife to a gunfight."



(Plus, as less and less of a hot head the older I get, I can report that it's remarkable how much less stressful and aggravating life is if you are prepared to stand down from time to time and after all, if you're getting your bloodpressure up for nothing, aren't the assh0les winning?)
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Old 01-29-2006, 04:13 PM   #17
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Around here they paint double yellow lines for the slightest excuse. They must be based on the passing acceleration of a '50 Buick. In 52 years of riding I've probably passed 10,000 cars by crossing double-yellow lines. If you're going to ride like you're in a car you might as well drive. Being passed illeaglly is no excuse for murder or any other retaliation - put the blame where it belongs.
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Old 01-29-2006, 04:46 PM   #18
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Pissed off auto drivers are not the only ones who don`t like being passed. A few years ago I came up on 3 Sport bike riders going 25 or so in a 50 zone, well being a biker, I stayed behind them until it just became rediculous, so I passed them in my car in a legal passing zone. Well they didn`t like it much so they started riding around my car, left and right side, screaming, trying to kick at the side of it, but I din`t run them off the road, (beleive me, I thought of it!!) anyway one of them kicked my car at a stop sign. When 2 of them went down another road, The lone one made a big mistake by coming up next to my car again, no I didn`t run him over, but I DID get out of the car and pushed him backwards on his bike until he fell on his ass!!! Maybe he`ll think twice next time doing something stupid, while he pays a few bucks for his new side panels on the GSXR!!!!
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:47 PM   #19
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Default Hey I'm Joe Cool I pass on the double yellow.

The same thing happened to me when I passed a guy in a pickup on a double yellow. Like Sarnali said it pisses people off. In my case, my Ninja stopped easily. I backed off from the guy and made no threatening jestures figuring I was miles away from any where riding alone.. The next year I passed on the double when Bubba waved me on (with a smirk) bingo King Co Sheriff's finest in the gold helmet and green Kawasaki hiding behind a blackberry bush nailed me.. Now kpaul never passes on the double yellow.. "A man has to know his limitations" Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry.....No one deserved to die or get hurt here hope this guy goes away for a long time
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Old 01-29-2006, 06:13 PM   #20
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Good advice...
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