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Old 11-10-2005, 07:34 PM   #61
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Default Re: Complacency can kill.

mesoglea, hit reload and read my post above. I never scoffed, laughed, mocked or mentioned military law or safety. You will also notice my comment was to sportbikebandit's comment not yours.



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Old 11-10-2005, 07:58 PM   #62
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Default Re: Loud Pipe Perspective

What? U can take that $2 a gallon tax and put it where the sun don't shine. If you don't like SUVs, don't buy one. It is this kind of thinking that caused the 55 mph speed limit.



Why should a driver of a car who injures a motorcyclist get a stiffer punishment than one who injures a pedestrian or the driver of another car? This is rediculous.



I take the Marine camp was a joke?



You need to look around. This is not France. France is that country full of arrogant wimps and burning cars. As far as American drives being amateurs in comparison to the professional European drivers, you need to get all of your oars in the water.



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Old 11-10-2005, 08:01 PM   #63
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According to the dictionary, privilege and right are synonyms. You win.

But if I get a reckless, is it legally the states privilege/right to take my bike and crush it? An item that is my privilege/right to own?

We can talk semantics if you like. Privilege and right are used differently in the military.

If you think an MSF course wonÂ’t help the lack common sense what will? If one life is saved, the course worked. Statistically speaking, I feel the course can save hundreds.

Yes, the 600s will kick out over 100 horses and break 150 MPH. Ever ride a modern 600 and then a modern 1000? HUGE DIFFERENCE! Most riders canÂ’t use 50% of the bikes potential anyway; all they see is 1000cc and 165HP.

Look at Europe, they have tiered licensing and are better drivers because of it.

I know itÂ’s not the bikes fault. It is the human factor. WhatÂ’s so wrong with limiting the availability of the machine on the street? IÂ’m not suggesting that you canÂ’t own one, just cant ride it until you have demonstrated that you can handle it.

If something is just handed to you, the respect is lost. If you earn it by working for it, you respect the thing because you paid for it.

When you rent a car, do really care about it? No, itÂ’s not yours.

Being brave and being stupid are different things. In the military, not wearing your safety gear is just stupid. Is getting hurt and possibly punished for you lack of taking the extra time to put on the safety gear worth it?

Its your civilian tax dollars that will heal these military members when mishaps occur. Things will have to be replaced, lost man hours and others to pick up the pieces that all could have been avoided if a class or a safety brief was conducted.

All it takes is one young rider to think twice about following the faster guys. Again, if one person benefits from it, itÂ’s a good thing.

The "its not going to happen to me" type of thinking has killed many.

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Old 11-10-2005, 08:04 PM   #64
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Im cool.

I do get hot about motorcycling. Its part of my job.

I try to lead by example by doing and saying the right things.

I just get pissed when I see a military guy not wearing something because he could get hurt and then fried for it afterwards.
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Old 11-10-2005, 10:58 PM   #65
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Why wear a helmet ?I once knew a guy who had the same attitude about wearing shoes in hot weather,he only rode a 100cc motorcycle so why bother he said .One day I came across an ambulance and cop car holding up the traffic while they tended a victim,and quess who it was? My shoeless aqaintance had slid out on a tight corner and the rough surface ground half his toes and foot away .Needles to say,he was permanantly crippled .I knew there was a reason why motorcyclist should wear protection,and that accident is always a good reminder for me.
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:12 PM   #66
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you got it !

seriously you have identified the anti matter people. There numbers are growing and they live among us. They suck.
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Old 11-11-2005, 04:27 AM   #67
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Default Re: Loud Pipe Perspective

There is a simple response here.



From an old guy that rides a Busa, the story and the loud pipes are more about, what we used to call, common courtesy. The people in the cars don't mind the pipes or the lane splitting as long as it's done without flaunting it. The pipes are no problem until the noise is thrust on people in their homes. Yes there are outlier personalities, but they are only empowered by rudeness.



Pass the word, ride courteous it's usually safer and if you want play hard, find a place were you bother the least number of people.
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Old 11-11-2005, 04:36 AM   #68
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Default Re: Loud Pipe Perspective

Beyond the ability to lane split, some air cooled bikes simply won't do the stop'n go thing in hot weather for long.



Some times you've gotta keep moving or the damn thing will quit on you.



If the cagers don't like it then oh well. Cops are another story. Most who have been around a while will realize what you're doing and egnore you.



On a completely different subject, hearing you "city folks" talking about traffic makes me think; I can hardly remember what it's like. It's now been more than 10 years since I lived in the Boston area. Now I'm in the middle of nowhere, where traffic is unheard of. I don't miss it!
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Old 11-11-2005, 05:01 AM   #69
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Acutally it is not legal here in Texas. This past session, a bill was introduced into the house to make it legal, but the bill never got out of committee. Lane split at your legal peril. Bubba in his dually will crush you for sport as you pass him on the line.
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Old 11-11-2005, 05:48 AM   #70
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Since somebody asked earlier - as far as I know, lane splitting is not legal in NY. Still, I've been doing it as long as I've been riding, and have never gotten a ticket for it. But I don't lane split past cops, and I don't cruise through stationary traffic at 60.



To everybody who says that (safe and reasonable) lane splitting is bad for the image of motorcyclists: bulls**t. The more people lane split the better, because then cagers get used to it.



If every bike sits in stop-and-go traffic waiting to get squashed, and only a few people lane split, the lane splitters look reckless, sure. But if everybody does it, every time, cagers' tiny reptile brains make the connection, "well, that's just what bikes do".



Lane splitting is more accepted in California by cagers not because it's legal, but because everybody does it! Do you really think that the average genius behind the wheel in California sees a bike lane splitting and thinks to himself, "oh, it's OK that he's doing that because it's legal"?



Most drivers couldn't answer basic questions about traffic laws if their gas prices depended on it, so I don't believe for a second that the average cager knows what's legal for motorcycles where.



The only way for lane splitting to become accepted (tacitly if not legally) is for everyone to actually do it. In and around NYC most bikes lane split, and I've never had a problem with drivers getting noticeably huffy about it. On admittedly anecdotal evidence, in places where people don't lane split as often, drivers get very belligerent, try to block bikes from going past them, even open doors, etc.



So lane split, it's good for you. Just do it safely and reasonably. I certainly agree that the guys racing through traffic, as described by the original poster, are complete idiots.
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