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Old 11-10-2005, 04:04 PM   #51
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Default Re: Look at me Perspective

Thanks man..Last time I fell I was out cold for a day...
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Old 11-10-2005, 04:07 PM   #52
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Default Re: Look at me I'm cool without a helmet because I'm a rebel

I hope you are joking.

Motorcycle safety is a serious thing. You can laugh all you want but the men and women defending your right to scoff military law are being injured by the same attitude you are displaying.

Judging your reply, I can tell you never have been through an MSF course. Take one, you might learn something.

I bet you're never going to drop your bike either.
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Old 11-10-2005, 05:02 PM   #53
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Lane splitting is legal here in Texas. Legislators are not all out to get motorcyclists I guess. Personally I have always lane splitted, cautiously, as cagers have been known to open their doors at inopportune times. I couldn't imagine sitting behind a cage in a traffic jamb, if fact I have never seen anyone on a bike here in South Texas sit in a traffic jamb behind a cage. The exhaust must be very unhealthy.
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Old 11-10-2005, 05:54 PM   #54
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Interesting...



You criticize that "we all get lumped together"; yet, primarily you're linking irresponsible behavior with one specific age group and one type of bike. I'm surprised you haven't seen cruisers or tourers ridden by more "mature" adults perform completely foolish/reckless maneuvers on the street?



I'm also surprised by your position. You're in the U.S. military to protect/defend the freedom provided by the constitution (thank you very much!) and yet you're proposing restrictions and/or removal of it. We need people in this country to be more responsible. That's a cultural problem for which more "rules" will not correct.



While I completely support the education process, I think it's naive to believe that simply mandating an MSF course is going to counter a lack of using common sense.



Tiered licensing? Do you really believe that the cagers nesbit writes about would have reacted/felt differently if the "___Flyers" were on 250cc Ninjas? Furthermore, most injuries/fatalities occur at speeds easily obtainable by almost any size bike. And while an inexperienced rider could most certainly get into "trouble" faster on a liter bike, many of today's 600's are more nimble and well over 100hp!...hardly newbie territory. But, that's not the point. It's simply not equitable to force a new rider to one level of performance and allow a new driver to get behind the wheel of an 05 Mustang GT or an H2 Hummer for that matter.



Finally, regarding safety gear. If you're "brave" enough to wear something inadequate for the activity, you should be brave enough to deal with the potential consequences. Insurance companies should have policies that encourage personal accountability. Why should my rates go up because someone else decided to play the odds and lost? Let that person bear the premium hike.



By the way, privilege and right are synonyms.





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Old 11-10-2005, 06:07 PM   #55
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Default Re: Look at me I'm cool without a helmet because I'm a rebel

Well, you got me, I was joking with SBB. I did drop my 4th bike about 4 years after I took the MSF class. I haven't dropped any of my last 15 or so since, on or off the track.



Don't jump too quick.
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:59 PM   #56
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1.) All safety is an serious thing [period].



2.) He has a right to laugh at military law. He's not held to it (Am I remembering right Fenton?), and many of the requirments seem rediculous. Most take away from us the very freedoms we're protecting. (With reason, mostly). I'm not personally offended, nor can I understand why you seem to be.



3.) Not all military requirements and actions make sense or get thought out. How many policy makers create rules/requirements on things they know nothing about and don't research (or listen to advice...). Again, sometime you just grin, bear, and move on hopefully to be able to laugh at it later. These include some safety regs.



4.) I suggest a deep breath, you seem to be getting quite heated about this.



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Old 11-10-2005, 07:14 PM   #57
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I know exactly why it pisses you off. Because when in a car, the perception of what is going on is very different than when on a bike. In a car, the bike slipping past you with little room to spare seems reckless. However, when you are on the bike the cars around you seem to not be moving at all, and a few inches of clearance is really quite enough.



It's the same exact reality, just 2 different perceptions of it. Maybe both are skewed away from reality.
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Old 11-10-2005, 07:25 PM   #58
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Default Re: Look at me I'm cool without a helmet because I'm a rebel

My comment had nothing to do with the military or safety. SBB (KP) was pointing out the activities he would wear a helmet. I was playing with him not to forget the shower. He seemed to acknowledge the jab.



As far as safety goes, I bet I wear more protection on a bike than most- EVERY time I ride.



Hutchinator, you know I'm never that creative trying to ***** someone off.(thanks for the vote, though)
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Old 11-10-2005, 07:25 PM   #59
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I never said he couldn't scoff our laws.

I get heated because 4 military members have died from motorcycle accidents in my area in the last few years. One man retired after 20 years of service only to get hit by a teenager while she was talking on her cell phone! He wasn't even out for a year. We had one guy get hit and then go down less than a week. The Naval Safety Center is hot on motorcycle accidents. That heat is pressed onto the commands.

Complacency can kill.

Many military actions seem stupid to the end user. Most of the time they are not high enough on the ladder to see the big picture and the end product. Many things are put into place from what we call "Knee Jerk Reaction".

As for the safety issues and our requirements tell me what you think is stupid, why and how to correct it.

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Old 11-10-2005, 07:26 PM   #60
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The Doppler Effect has nothing to do with inability to hear something in your vicinity. The Doppler Effect is the apparent change in frequency of the sound emitted by a moving object because the velocity of the object itself will shorten the perceived wavelength on approach and lengthen in as it moves away.



Why the exhaust from the open-piped bike can't be heard on the highway until it is beside/in front of you is because the sound waves propagate from the opening of the exhaust pipe. Likewise, the sound is much louder from a bike facing away from you than a bike facing towards you because that is the direction the sound waves get pushed out.



I'm sure (at least I really hope) you understand that concept, but you just put the wrong name on it.
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