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Old 11-10-2005, 05:47 AM   #11
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For crying out loud, buying a cruiser is like buying a 4X4 and lowering it. If you wanna go slow on two wheels fine. Let the rest that donÂ’t need to creep through life old, scared and "proud" enjoy our fun. You should drive in Paris man thatÂ’s lane splitting-and the scooters and bikes have the right too. Or Prague, but wait I am talking to an overpriced Harley owner American who has never left the states. Deaf ears
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Old 11-10-2005, 05:49 AM   #12
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exactly, US Air force living overseas for 6 years. in Europe we drive- in the states u commute. sad.
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:07 AM   #13
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Both the cruiser and sport bike world have those "Look at me" types. We all know that the "Loud pipes save lives" thing is wrong due to the Doppler effect. Some sport riders do stupid things on bikes and then we all get lumped together as a nuisance.

Most of those riders have had no formal training let alone a track day. All they do is trick out their bikes with chrome rims, ride with novelty helmets, a tank top and running shoes. Then they act like clowns to look cool. This type of rider will have chicken strips about two inches wide on the rear tire. They also have some of the most powerful bikes on the planet because all they know how to do is wrench the throttle while in a straight line and float the front wheel on the interstate.

I feel that mandated training for all motorcyclists should be required during the licensing process by attending the Basic MSF course at the trainees expense (must pay to play). This will reduce incidents by educating riders in proper, safe and courteous riding habits. If they are stopped by the police for stupid actions, there will no excuses.

Another thing that I feel would reduce fatalities and other acts of immaturity is tiered licensing. There is no reason that a 16 year old kid or a new rider of any age should be on a modern liter bike. Injuries and fatalities occur because they cant control the bike safely. They just don't have the experience or wisdom to handle a bike with 150+ horses. For the first two years, nothing bigger than a 600 or 883 twin. If caught on a larger bike, a one year suspension of all driving privileges and a hefty fine. Don't like it? Don't ride.

Some riders don't think its cool to wear safety gear. I am required, by military law, to wear a certain amount of protective gear. I'm an adult and I do what I'm told because its smart. Look up motorcycle injuries on the net, safety gear will save your hide! Looking cool is for those in still high school.

Many fools complain about the helmet issue. Some say they don't work, they're too heavy or useless over 30 MPH or some other lame excuse. Why do all the pros wear them? Grow up, get a real DOT/SNELL helmet and wear it.

Set firms laws governing safety equipment and enforce them. The MSF recommends, in every state DOT riders handbook, what to wear. Proper safety gear says you are not only educated about riding, you also present a positive image. Lack of safety gear is one of reasons our insurance rates to go up.



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Old 11-10-2005, 06:08 AM   #14
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Are we having some issues today?



His comments weren't on the lane-splitting itself, but on the reckless nature of how it was carried out by this group and the bad image that potrays.



You want to talk about foriegn lane spiltting? Koreans do that with cars, and the 'bikers' take to the sidewalks to avoid traffic.
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:12 AM   #15
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"I'm an adult and I do what I'm told because its smart."



I'm not sure I have ever heard a funnier statement than this one.
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:16 AM   #16
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You've touched on a number of complex issues here IMHO. The one that is a no-brainer for me is lane-splitting. I was splitting traffic in 1975 at 15 in So. Cal. It is natural for me to do this and must be resisted the 99% of the time I'm not in Cal these days. Is this a topic Motorcyclists can unite on? Are there any Riders that would have a problem with another Rider splitting traffic if it was "legal" (plenty of Cop wannabes out there I know).
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:18 AM   #17
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Default Ducati slogan...

on a t-shirt:



LOUD CLUTCHES SAVE LIVES!
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:24 AM   #18
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It is also a privilege to drive, not a right; this doesn't stop the general public from treating driving as part of the Bill of Rights, though.
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:25 AM   #19
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I was implying that the act of wearing safety gear is required and also smart.

The adult reference is because we also are required to wear bright, contrasting colors by day and reflective materials at night. This is on and off the base. Many riders wear dark jackets because it looks fashionable and a blaze orange construction worker vest is a fashion catastrophe.

If a military member chooses not to wear the required Personal Protective Equipment and is involved in an accident, the military can refuse to pay for the medical care and will prosecute for a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice for failure to obey a lawful order.

Most military riders simple refuse to wear the orange vest because its uncool. I say grow up, be an adult, follow orders and do as you are told.

The military has had too many accident in the last few months involving motorcycles.
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:26 AM   #20
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Loud clutches sound like mechanical failure.
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