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nokneedragin 03-10-2005 07:41 AM

Re: Speed Channel Programming
I'd bet that Speed is tired of the *****ing it gets about all types of race coverage. Nascar fans *****ing about the stupid F1 stuff, F1 fans *****ing about the boat racing, boat racing fans *****ing about the cycle racing etc. I would bet pesos to donuts that they are in the process of setting up a NASCAR channel (premium package only), and will release the Nascar grip on SPEEDTV. They can increase veiwers (all race fans get something), increase revenue (Nascar channel gets premium cost to run comercials, and as a premium channel its gets extra revenue for the cable/sat tv companies). Sounds like a win/win.

But I don not have the financial accumen of Buz, nor am I as perspicacious as longride, so I'm probably wrong.

Also, I ate sheite from the networks for decades on cycle racing, got a little better treatment from speed (finally) and they have spoiled me with same day coverage for a long time. I was a veiwer that gave them ratings that built the channel up. I would like to be a viewer that keeps building their rating up. They seems to not want me anymore, and I will be glad to watch the channel that gives me same day coverage of the MC races. I refuse to be knocked back down to a fourth class viewer, nor do I accept the "any coverage is better than none" opinion expressed by some here.

tumbler 03-10-2005 07:41 AM

Re: Speed Channel Programming
I'm glad we have you hear to point out everyone else's bullshyt. I'd hate to think we would have to figure it out on our own.

I have feeling you're just going to keep disagreeing and saying the same thing so you can wear me out and you'll get the last word.

You stated your opinion as to the impossibility of all other racing other than nascar being able to stand on its own as being a no-brainer. I have a brain and a different opinion. Nascar is the most watched racing in this country but it is far from the only racing watched in this country.

tumbler 03-10-2005 08:01 AM

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No they didn't. It started with MTV, which had no audience because noone ever just played music videos 24 hrs. a day. All of the other channel came later when it was realized that enough people liked different types of music and music programming. People do watch Vh1 and MTV and maybe even CMT. Not just one or the other. There is no flaw in this anology. It also is not the only example of company stating other channels for a particular audience. It was just the most prominent exmaple I could think of.

Indy car used to be the most watched racing in this country. Nascar used to just be for the rednecks, but now it's mainstream. Tastes change.

I have never ever said have a motorcycle only channel. Stop pigeon-holing. There's world-rally, f-1, Drag racing of all sorts, snow-mobile racing, luge, semi racing, how-to-show (two guys garage) etc.,etc, etc, and all types of motorcycle racing. There is enough audience with all of these combined. I cannot prove it with any statistics and noone else can disprove with any statistics because A: they don't exist and B: just because you prefer one type of racing doesn't mean you'll never watch other types.

He implied people who want a separate channel or just at least coverage during a better time slot have no brains. This is extremely mild as compared to other postings over the years that I have seen him and other make, but still abraisive. I really not a let's hold hands and sing songs kind of guy, but if I post anything, and I mean anything, some smart-alic has to either insult or at least start a debate. Most of the time it is the S.O.S. Read any message board here that someone posted a question on how to do something to or with their bike. There are far more useless, often completely off topic, replies than actual useful answers. Aren't these the same reason everyone is happy KPaul isn't here anymore. I know it is for me.

sportbikebandit 03-10-2005 08:36 AM

DR Chipper
Excellent Point. During the NASCAR stuff you see Fortune 500 companies advertise. During the motorocycle races it's the DR Chipper and a toothless fellow advetising a metal detector.

travisyoung 03-10-2005 08:36 AM

Re: Speed Channel Programming
Now a motorcycle and hockey channel...that I could watch.

tumbler 03-10-2005 08:52 AM

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Especially right now since it would only be motorcycle racing!

bboule 03-10-2005 08:58 AM

Re: Speed Channel Programming
The problem with your theory is it's already been tried.

Speed Channel used to be much less NASCAR focused. They must not have been doing that well, as they were bought out, the name was changed to just "Speed" and the programming was changed to include more NASCAR.

And somehow I'd imagine the ratings have gone up.

tumbler 03-10-2005 09:00 AM

Re: Speed Channel Programming
Same here.

tumbler 03-10-2005 09:16 AM

Re: Speed Channel Programming
I disagree. They have not ever had a separate nascar channel and then most other racing on a different channel. Nascar is just a way to get more money for speed no doubt. Another channel for the rest of their programming would do just fine. Look at how many very narrowly focused cable channels exist. We're talking about having a channel with every other type of racing, but nascar, since it would have it's own channel 24/7. I'm tired of hearing how motorcycling alone can't carry a channel. It probably can't, but I serious just can't believe that all other racing combined can't carry a cable channel. I really can't believe that more Americans watch the BBC on a regular basis than would watch non-nascar racing and automotive how-to shows.

tumbler 03-10-2005 09:23 AM

Re: Speed Channel Programming
Thank you. We made the same point, but you much more elequently than I. I'm sure hooters does better business than any other wings place, but there still are other wings places in business. Of course none of them have had their own airlines.

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