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Old 01-08-2005, 12:49 PM   #31
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Hey, what's skinny on the Buzz/kpaul scam?



I got here too late for that one.
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Old 01-08-2005, 01:01 PM   #32
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You can certainly look at it that way. As far as I'm concerned, if the bike up to snuff, and I know the proceeds are going to an American company, I would consider buying an MRX.



The problem is Fischer is positioning the bike in a "proud to be an American" style. And if you're banking on American pride to drive sales, you've kind of screwed the pooch by taking one of the two main components on the bike and outsourcing it to an Asian company in a country known for low-cost production. If it were any other component besides engine and chassis, they could get away with outsourcing to a foriegn company. All bike manufacturers do it.



By the way, I have nothing against Hyosung. I do think they're going to be a player in the MC industry soon. Besides the power issue, the 650 is just an awkward fit in an "American" sport bike. And they are coming out with a 1000cc V-twin, probably this year. I bet the MRX has been designed to accept that engine, too.
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Old 01-08-2005, 01:02 PM   #33
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Agreed....If they had Rotax design and build them a motor,they'd be a step up..Aprilia is still considered an Italian bike although it has a Rotax. My Beitch with the Hyosang motor isnt that its not 'Murrican but that bits just not a high tech sportbike motor. Although handling is obviously extremely important in a sport bike,if you want to market a high end "sportbike",you best have a high end motor.
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Old 01-08-2005, 01:14 PM   #34
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Ya know, I wouldn't be a patent lawyer who deals with the far-east for all the gold in China (no pun intended).



Hell, before you hire an engineer, oyer there, you'd have to make sure he doesn't talk in his sleep.



Gives "Took the words right outa my mouth" a whole ne meaning.



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Old 01-08-2005, 01:21 PM   #35
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Kpaul was throwing around his usual unfounded allegations about Buzz fleecing the dumb, ignorant and elderly for a living. So, naturally a few of the guys surmised that Buzz must derive a considerable amount of his income from Kpaul's relatives. It's been a running joke for quite awhile.
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Old 01-08-2005, 01:30 PM   #36
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"Besides the power issue, the 650 is just an awkward fit in an "American" sport bike"



I see your point, but I suspect there won't be any "Hyosung" badging on it. That would mitigate somewhat.



"And they are coming out with a 1000cc V-twin, probably this year. I bet the MRX has been designed to accept that engine, too."



Price it between the Honda RC51 and Ducati 999, and it'd be a winner.
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Old 01-08-2005, 02:24 PM   #37
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Just a novelty bike that will never sell. It will definitely draw attention to Buell due to the flag-waving marketing scheme. Are we sure HD isn't funding Fischer?



This bike has an unknown (for Americans) Korean engine -- this is a fatal flaw in design/marketing. What the heck were they thinking? This business decision alone will kill the bike.



However, I do think Fischer has the perfect base for a sportbike "kit" similar to the chopper kits so popular with the Viagra crowd. Change the chassis design so that it will accept an SV650 or (insert popular large displacement designation) mill. Sell the basic bike-in-a-box kit for about $6K -- customers just add paint, sweat, time, and a donor engine (suitably modified). Make sure customers can order upgraded components. Heck, I bet a bunch of us would enjoy building our own sportbike (winter project anyone?).
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Old 01-08-2005, 02:33 PM   #38
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Briggs is already at capacity in providing engines for Buell Blasts.
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Old 01-08-2005, 02:40 PM   #39
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Maybe Hyosung could take a page from the Russians. The Russkies reverse engineer a BMW and call it a Ural. Hyosung should call their reverse engineered Suzuki an "Oriental Ural" or "Oral" for short.
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Old 01-08-2005, 03:07 PM   #40
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Right, the engine and everything else. The man was so full of innovative ideas- ideas that werenÂ’t just gimmicks but worked- it was surreal. Radiators under the seat to trim the front and save space, carbon-fiber and Kevlar body work that even Formula One was still experimenting with at the time, front and rear suspension linked together and mounted to the engine. We think gas in the frame is a big deal? Britten's V1000 didn't even have a frame! Tim Hanna wrote a book on him titled "John Britten" and Motorcyclist did a write up on him in their 1/2005 issue. Very interesting stuff. Who knows how this guy could have influenced motorcycle design had he lived.
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