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Old 12-13-2004, 03:38 AM   #31
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Anyone else notice that they had to ditch that funky side-mounted rear suspension setup? Looked cool, but I guess it turned out to be unworkable.



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Old 12-13-2004, 03:40 AM   #32
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Tsk tsk. This is no Buell. In a dyno XB12R has 65 lbft or below at anything less than 4k RPM. MT-01 has advertized 110lbft at 3750. In a dyno that´ll be less, but still something from another planet. Bigger planet.



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Old 12-13-2004, 03:49 AM   #33
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I'd like to know where the "shoddy build quality" comment comes from as well. I just spent two days torturing a Buell and didn't notice any build quality problems. The bike is tight and corners like it's on rails.



Maybe the pushrod Yamaha motor has 4 valve heads. Now that's technology!
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Old 12-13-2004, 03:52 AM   #34
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Bigger planet as in 100 lbs heavier than the Buell.
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Old 12-13-2004, 03:57 AM   #35
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Default Re: Harley should have built the Vrod

I think we're going to have air-cooled motors with us for quite some time. Personally, I have a fondness for them.



Someday I'm going to have an air-cooled Duc motor in the garage.
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Old 12-13-2004, 03:58 AM   #36
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Too many fat moto-journalists were getting their flabby thighs caught in the spring.



That's a real product liability issue you know.
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Old 12-13-2004, 04:05 AM   #37
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Maybe this helps- maybe not: I have a Yamaha 600 Seca II. My oil light always comes on when the bike is on the side stand. Checked a bulletin board and found this is universal to my bike- it uses a il level sensor" rather than an oil pressure sensor. The solution given was to add a 1/4 cup more oil than the manual calls for. I realize an FZ-1 and a Seca II are very different animals- but maybe the use the same type of sensor mechanism? Who knows...
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Old 12-13-2004, 04:09 AM   #38
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I'm highly critical of using air-cooled motors in racing when water-cooled technology has demonstrable specific output advantages for engines without a forced induction system of some kind.



However, there is obviously a place for air-cooled motors for numerous applications outside of closed-course, displacement-limited racing, including street performance bikes like the Buells, cruisers, off-road bikes where a punctured radiator is a real issue etc. etc. The weight and simplicity of an air-cooled motor and their robust constructin have significant, real-world advantages.



Harley gets criticized because it has a thoughtlessly dogmatic approach to design and engineering, with their true focus on marketing; the criticism that follows is a corollary of this.



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Old 12-13-2004, 04:09 AM   #39
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That Duc motor will probably be more useful in a bike.



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Old 12-13-2004, 04:12 AM   #40
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...I thought MO already did a full article on this when the bike was released? Something more interesting to get in the states would be Yamaha's MT-03... Still a concept but the European's will probably enjoy it one day soon. See:



http://ymedc.introweb.nl/en/archive/street/mt03.shtml
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