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YellowDuck 12-13-2004 04:38 AM

Re: Unobtainium European?
Anyone else notice that they had to ditch that funky side-mounted rear suspension setup? Looked cool, but I guess it turned out to be unworkable.

anrajala 12-13-2004 04:40 AM

Re: Unobtainium European?
Tsk tsk. This is no Buell. In a dyno XB12R has 65 lbft or below at anything less than 4k RPM. MT-01 has advertized 110lbft at 3750. In a dyno that´ll be less, but still something from another planet. Bigger planet.


Buzz_Waloch 12-13-2004 04:49 AM

Re: Unobtainium European?
I'd like to know where the "shoddy build quality" comment comes from as well. I just spent two days torturing a Buell and didn't notice any build quality problems. The bike is tight and corners like it's on rails.

Maybe the pushrod Yamaha motor has 4 valve heads. Now that's technology!

Buzz_Waloch 12-13-2004 04:52 AM

Re: Unobtainium European?
Bigger planet as in 100 lbs heavier than the Buell.

Buzz_Waloch 12-13-2004 04:57 AM

Re: Harley should have built the Vrod
I think we're going to have air-cooled motors with us for quite some time. Personally, I have a fondness for them.

Someday I'm going to have an air-cooled Duc motor in the garage.

Buzz_Waloch 12-13-2004 04:58 AM

Re: Unobtainium European?
Too many fat moto-journalists were getting their flabby thighs caught in the spring.

That's a real product liability issue you know.

ccd3 12-13-2004 05:05 AM

Oil Light
Maybe this helps- maybe not: I have a Yamaha 600 Seca II. My oil light always comes on when the bike is on the side stand. Checked a bulletin board and found this is universal to my bike- it uses a :oil level sensor" rather than an oil pressure sensor. The solution given was to add a 1/4 cup more oil than the manual calls for. I realize an FZ-1 and a Seca II are very different animals- but maybe the use the same type of sensor mechanism? Who knows...

christian_gates 12-13-2004 05:09 AM

Re: Unobtainium European?
I'm highly critical of using air-cooled motors in racing when water-cooled technology has demonstrable specific output advantages for engines without a forced induction system of some kind.

However, there is obviously a place for air-cooled motors for numerous applications outside of closed-course, displacement-limited racing, including street performance bikes like the Buells, cruisers, off-road bikes where a punctured radiator is a real issue etc. etc. The weight and simplicity of an air-cooled motor and their robust constructin have significant, real-world advantages.

Harley gets criticized because it has a thoughtlessly dogmatic approach to design and engineering, with their true focus on marketing; the criticism that follows is a corollary of this.


pdad13 12-13-2004 05:09 AM

Re: Harley should have built the Vrod
That Duc motor will probably be more useful in a bike.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

sconley 12-13-2004 05:12 AM

Re: Unobtainium European?
...I thought MO already did a full article on this when the bike was released? Something more interesting to get in the states would be Yamaha's MT-03... Still a concept but the European's will probably enjoy it one day soon. See:

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