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Old 08-11-2004, 07:15 AM   #131
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I made a reply yesterday about my ZXR 250 cc bike in Japan. I started riding in the mid-late 60's on a 50 cc Honda that a friend owned. My first bike for a short time was a 1970 2 cylinder 150 cc Honda that was gutless. I quickly moved to a 1972 Rickman 125 cc MX bike, then to a 1976 CZ 250 cc dual sport. I was dumb enought to have sold all of those. I kept all the bikes I bought after those...

I moved up in engine cc sizes as my skills improved, to a 1969 BSA 441 Victor, a 1983 Triumph TSS 8 valve and a 1975 Norton MK II Commando. I stayed with unreliable Brit bikes until the early 90's when I moved to Japan. I bought a 1992 ZZR 400 over there and used it as a daily runner for three years in Tokyo and all over the main island. It was an excellent daily bike, with 65 HP, dead reliable like a modern car and enough power to do whatever was needed when I learned to rev it instead of expecting torque to do the work like my Brit thumper and twins.

American riders who have started riding in the last ten years have no basis for understanding that 30-50 horsepower really is plenty for daily running or even touring, I believe. Older riders who progressed through small to large bikes will understand this. Riders who only had powerful bikes from the start have more power than riding skills, many times, it seems to me.

I went from Missouri to Seattle in the late 70's on a 1976 750 cc Triumph Bonneville and it was plenty powerful enough for the trip. It had maybe 55 hp. My travel partner was on a 1976 Norton Commando that had perhaps a bit more power and we both toured well for the run that we stretched into a five week tour with camping along the way.

Ego and actual need are very different driving forces in the buying equation. I had a 2001 ZX 12R Kawasaki for a bit over a year and absolutely loved the build quality, power and overall feel of the bike. I hated the fact that I couldn't wind it up in first gear without having to look for cops constantly. I sold it because, ultimately, it was boring to drive at legal speeds on the street. I bought a 2002 ZX 6E (ZZR 600) because I had the ZZR 400 in Japan and knew it to be a superb and somewhat versatile daily runner. The one piece seat allows a passenger to ride with me, there is 90-100 hp and the fuel economy is over 50 mpg on regular grade gas if you drive normally and still exceeds 45 mpg if you flog it. I rode year round in Japan, rain, shine, cold, hot and found the ZZR 400 to be great for the purpose. So is the ZX 6E. A clean used VFR 750, ZX 6E 600, a Suzuki Bandit 600, Suzuki 650 V-Strom twin all would be good daily use bikes. If you ever hope to have a passenger look for a one piece seat. The sport bike two piece seat is a torture rack only matched by the little passenger pad you see on a Harley...

Just two cents from a rider who has been riding constantly for 35 years or so and has finally seen that with maturity can come wisdom, if you filter out your own ego and look clearly at what is fun, reasonable and you wish to enjoy yourself without being a squid every time you ride.

Yes, I can go fast, but I don't think that is the reason I ride. I love the freedom, the feeling of being IN the environment and the sheer pleasure of cruising around on sport bikes.

Good luck shopping!
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Old 08-11-2004, 08:07 AM   #132
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Holy Crap! I'm away for a week or so and come back here to find a bunch of people actually making sense! Except for KPaul, of course, but he's much more mellow than usual, today.
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Old 08-11-2004, 08:24 AM   #133
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You might have a look at the Suzuki V-Strom (1000 or 650). Not exactly naked, but it's a great do-it-all bike with an upright riding position.
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Old 08-11-2004, 08:41 AM   #134
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Bikes currently or recently manufactured that I'd like to see here in the USA (listed in more or less alphabetical order):





















The Aprilia and Cagiva are two-strokes, so we won't see these any time soon (or ever...). My favorite is the VTR-250 Honda -- those Australians are lucky.

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Old 08-11-2004, 08:47 AM   #135
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Uh, go to


and click on the one you might be interested in seeing.

Sorry, but I don't know how to do formatting of web pages.

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Old 08-11-2004, 09:33 AM   #136
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Here's alink to a nice pic of one at Daytona. My buddy has less than 4 grand in this bike and it's going up in value. And, oh yeah, it goes like a bat outof hell...

They always run best right before they blow up.
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Old 08-11-2004, 02:07 PM   #137
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It is sad to see the choice of bikes outside the U.S.

I found a Bandit 400 in Dec. What a great bike. Sold over here for three years I think.

Pressure to buy a look or a "Lifestyle". That's what it boils down to. How many times have I had to endure the question, "When ya gonna get a real bike, a Harley?"

How do you answer that?

Let's see, when will I buy a Motorcycle with very little performance for 2-4 times the price from a dealer treats you like he wants.

NEVER! That's when.

Sport bikes are a problem to. If it's not a H-D or the latest greatest 600 or 1000 sportbike very few people are interested. Even with good reviews in the magazines.

I would like to see the Yamaha TDM come over here. I have ridden my friends TDM 850 and it is a blast. Maybe if Suzuki does well with the DL's it will happen.

DL 650. That could be my next bike.

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Old 08-11-2004, 07:11 PM   #138
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Errm Derekb the TDM *was* released in the US, do you mean re-released as it seems to have been dropped off the yamaha us website


I can only assume that it was another one of the dual purpose bikes that didn't sell well enough to warrant continuing

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Old 08-11-2004, 09:27 PM   #139
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if it's not a disorder called adhd, what is it? millions of kids do really have these symptoms, so what do you think they stem from?
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Old 08-12-2004, 04:22 AM   #140
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If its not the stomach that has grown as you got older that is the "problem we can't lean forward anymore" then what is it that gets in your way now that didn't get in your way before? Should I be expecting a growth spert as I get older?
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