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Old 08-10-2004, 06:25 PM   #111
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Sorry to hear about you father pdad. Having lost both my father and step father in the last four months I know just how empty the lack of their presence feels. As sad as the loss is I stop now and then to realize that I drew the winning lottery ticket when it came to father figures, as both of them were crucial in guiding me down the right path. When you're as dumb as I am I guess two fathers are a neccessity. I suppose that now that they are gone the onus of living up to their expectations seems even more important. I hope the pain of his loss leaves you quickly, and the memories of his goodness stays with you always. Van
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Old 08-10-2004, 06:52 PM   #112
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The fact that a man can't afford an available treatment to save his child's life without bankrupting himself says more about the unbridled greed of the medical profession and the govt than about any particular social or economic system.



After all, the govt is neck deep in regulating (protecting) the medical industry as it is. Medicine resembles neither a free market nor a pure socialism. Instead it represents the worst of both systems. For example millions of school children are placed on the dangerous amphetamine, ritalin, based on a non existent condition called ADHD, all with the complete blessing and financial support of the govt. The drug companies enjoy almost complete protection from lawsuit courtesy of the very same govt that is supposed to protect the people from such frauds.
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Old 08-10-2004, 07:13 PM   #113
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If the question is what should the sell here?, I wish they'd bring back the 500 2 strokes. I still miss my RZV500.



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Old 08-10-2004, 07:39 PM   #114
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The RZ500 Yamaha was trick but lacked the snap of the RG 500 Gamma Suzuki. Like you I miss the raw energy of a big two stroke comming on the pipe. One can only imagine what a modern two stroke incorporating the new light weight aluminum casting technology would be like to ride. VWW
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Old 08-10-2004, 08:38 PM   #115
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I'll pass on the cheese, but you can unscrew the cap off another bottle of 'NightTrain'. Your point is well taken and I will readily admit my research on current and past US availables was quick and cursory. With the exception of some of the English bikes, a bunch of the present 'nakeds' still look like 3/4 finished sport bikes and still have a minor crouched position or variation thereof. Also, not everyone, at least not me, feels the need to be able to travel in excess of 100 mph all the time. I can easily live with under a 1000ccs as long as it will haul my butt over Vail pass without feeling like it is going to die. To get to the truth of the matter, I am having a glass of whine, and enjoying it to an extent. I've learned a bunch from the responses to this article and seem to have made a few people think a little differently, too. That is what it is all about. However, I won't apologize for not being knocked over by the new stuff. I saw an old Honda 250 street machine today in some guy's driveway. The light metalic blue tank, spoked wheels, chromed front fender and exhaust all looked like the bike wasn't more than a couple of years old and, yes, I think that the dinosaur it still looks good. I also think that Rita Hayworth, Susan Hayward and Lee Remick were just as beautiful and sexy as some of the current hot bods. Yes, I do realize that they, like some of my bike preferences, are dead and gone. Thanks for the education.

Finally, I'm not completely stuck in the past. I do think some of the new machines are sharp, and I appreciate the significantly lower prices we pay. As for me, since I haven't found 'my perfect' standard/semi-naked 750cc-800cc bike, I'm considering a used Kawa Zr-7s. I am also finding a strong attraction to the Triumph Tiger since the Thunderbird sports are harder to find than a real virgin in a brothel. Finally, if I have to break that 1000cc, I'll go for a ZXR1100-1200. And then I'll just have to figure a way to get to Germany and sneak that sexy ZXR1200S fairing back here to install on my machine.
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Old 08-10-2004, 08:39 PM   #116
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Excellent point and well stated without my verboseness. I would guess that this is where the 'bottom line' is truly drawn.
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Old 08-10-2004, 09:01 PM   #117
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I'll pass on the cheese, but you can unscrew the cap off another bottle of 'NightTrain'. Your point is well taken and I will readily admit my research on current and past US availables was quick and cursory. With the exception of some of the English bikes, a bunch of the present 'nakeds' still look like 3/4 finished sport bikes and still have a minor crouched position or variation thereof. Also, not everyone, at least not me, feels the need to be able to travel in excess of 100 mph all the time. I can easily live with under a 1000ccs as long as it will haul my butt over Vail pass without feeling like it is going to die. To get to the truth of the matter, I am having a glass of whine, and enjoying it to an extent. I've learned a bunch from the responses to this article and seem to have made a few people think a little differently, too. That is what it is all about. However, I won't apologize for not being knocked over by the new stuff. I saw an old Honda 250 street machine today in some guy's driveway. The light metalic blue tank, spoked wheels, chromed front fender and exhaust all looked like the bike wasn't more than a couple of years old and, yes, I think that the dinosaur it still looks good. I also think that Rita Hayworth, Susan Hayward and Lee Remick were just as beautiful and sexy as some of the current hot bods. Yes, I do realize that they, like some of my bike preferences, are dead and gone. Thanks for the education.

Finally, I'm not completely stuck in the past. I do think some of the new machines are sharp, and I appreciate the significantly lower prices we pay. As for me, since I haven't found 'my perfect' standard/semi-naked 750cc-800cc bike, I'm considering a used Kawa Zr-7s. I am also finding a strong attraction to the Triumph Tiger since the Thunderbird sports are harder to find than a real virgin in a brothel. Finally, if I have to break that 1000cc, I'll go for a ZXR1100-1200. And then I'll just have to figure a way to get to Germany and sneak that sexy ZXR1200S fairing back here to install on my machine.
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Old 08-10-2004, 10:09 PM   #118
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How about a BMW R850R? Funny looker, maybe, but a sweeter ride than the 1100s and an appealing mix of trad and modern. If you like a sit-up but not feet-forward position, and don't often go above 100mph, it's got to be on your list.
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Old 08-10-2004, 11:04 PM   #119
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Well, did I get an education with this posting.



First, a hearty 'Thank-You' to everyone who participated in this discussion. A few of you brought up points that, I hate to admit, I hadn't considered. Some of you helped bring me up to date by pointing out that a few of the bikes I referred to were still actually available here or had been and didn't sell. I will readily admit my research on current and past US availables was quick and cursory.



However, I still think that a bunch of the present 'nakeds' look like 3/4 finished sport bikes and still have enough of a crouched position or variation thereof to necessitate keeping your supply of mentholated sports cream topped of. Yes, I'll sit up an beg when riding, and enjoy it. After all, it worked while being married and it should work now. I'm not 20 or 30 years old anymore and leaning over does make my back sore after a short bit of time. Hell, as long as I can bring my foot up to near chest height on a chair or counter, I don't even lean over to tie my shoes.



Also, not everyone, at least not me, feels the need to be able to travel in excess of 100 mph all the time. I can easily live with under a 1000ccs as long as it will haul my butt over Vail pass without feeling like it is going to die.



Yes, I am having a glass of nostalgic whine, and enjoying it. Nonetheless, besides personally learning a bunch from the responses to this article, I seem to have made a few people think a little differently, or wax nostalgic too. That is what it is all about. Riding a bike, almost any bike, has appeal in it. Sometimes remembering what got you first hooked on riding is enjoyable and appealing too.



However, I won't apologize for not being knocked flat over by the new stuff. I saw an old Honda 250 street machine today in some guy's driveway while walking my dog(also an old fart, but a much cuter old fart than I am. At least that's what everyone tells me). The light metalic blue tank, spoked wheels , chromed front fender and exhaust all looked like the bike wasn't more than a couple of years old. It still looks sharp. I found a 1981 Honda CBX for sale in NY. In appearance (look at those 6 cylinders shine), faired in ****pit styling, riding ergos, and performance, I bet it could still give the CBR1000rr, ZXR1200R, Bandit1200S, and Yamaha ZF-1 a run for their money on the showroom floor.



I also think that Rita Hayworth, Susan Hayward, Lee Remick and Lauren Bacall were just as beautiful and sexy as some of the current hot bods. An yes, I do realize that they, like most of my bike preferences, are dead and gone (with the exception of Lauren Bacall who is still as fiesty and classy as ever). That doesn't diminish the the original appeal. Some beauties are truly timeless.



I also think that Carmen Electra, Heidi Klum, Kim Cattral, and the Coors Twins are shrp lookers. I mean some of the new supersports and even a couple of the cruisers are hot enough to nearly give a woodie even to an old fart like me. Hell, whoever came up with Viagra never new the erotic, both subliminal and overt, implications of a well designed bike.

Many of the new order are truly sharp and appealing. Even some of the 100% dedicated sport bikes and a couple of custom cruisers I find intriguing. I just wouldn't bring them back to my house.



So, what has all this brought me in regards to a future 'field re-entry' purchase? In a word, nowhere. I'm still undecided. However, I have been able to at least catagorize my choices for easy decision making and elimination as follows:

Catagory 'If money were no object' (not necessarily in order of choice): BMW K1200GT, or R1150RT, Honda ST1300, Yamaha FJR1300, Triumph Trophy, Tiger or Thunderbird Sport, a trip to Germany to bring back a ZXR1200S



Catagory 'since money is an object': Kawasaki ZZR600 or ZXR1200(only 'cause the Z750 & ZR-7S aren't being brought into the US anymore), Suzuki Bandit 1200S or Vstrom1000, Yamaha FZ-1

Catagory 'what if I could': ZXR1200R and import the ZXR1200S fairing by hook or crook from Germany and install on the bike.



Catagory 'most likely scenario' : I'll look for a used ZR-7S, Nighthawk750, ZZR600, or an older ST1100 if I can get it for under $4k.



What do I think my "perfect" motorcycle would look like. Well, let me put it this way: If my perfect bike were a woman, it would be the Avengers' Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) in her leather catsuit. Boy, is that Freudian or what?



Who would your favorite motorcycle be?



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Old 08-11-2004, 02:27 AM   #120
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Funny how Kpaul screws with other people and they want to wring his neck, and he laughs it off and pretends it's all in fun. Sounds like when somone gets personal with him, he suddenly isn't in a laughing mood any more. Piling on the moron would be too easy for me, but I just wanted to point out that screwing with people is never funny, just in case someone wants to grow up and start posting like a man.
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