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BMW4VWW 08-10-2004 12:45 PM

Re: Thanks Nplateau
Pat Buchanan is right except for the subversion of the "Reagan revoulution" part. Reagan was not a small government politician, and ran up huge deficits. This is the kind of stuff I, and others here have espoused for some time. What does it have to do with your daughter?

Liftboy 08-10-2004 01:57 PM

Re: What Did We Do To Tick'em Off
From an old geezer (riding 28 years). Buy a BMW R1100S. Der Fatherland dropped the price 2K last year. Underseat cans mean BMW's excellent luggage fits and removes like a dream. I commute daily 23 miles on mine. Never ever see another one. The Euros get it - Bike Magazine loves it -- try one! P.S. it also has a centerstand and ABS is available.

sarnali 08-10-2004 02:37 PM

Re: Hit a nerve there
Don't your kids look like you?

sarnali 08-10-2004 02:42 PM

Re: Another Kook lie?
You can put it there too

Nplateau 08-10-2004 03:27 PM

Re: He just married his momma
I full on understand what you're saying and I believe you to be right. Truly, the unintended consequences really are a killer. I rack my brain trying to come up with a better solution, but as things stand, I have been unsuccessful.

I really do wish for a better world. At least one with more than adequate health care for all (yes I know the shortcomings of health care in socialist states but I have no faith in our current system either), better access to meaningful employment, and education that promotes critical analysis as opposed to regurgitation.

I wish we could do it without a "big brother" government, but without a complete cultural shift away from materialism and the building of one's identity through the acquisition of material wealth, I doubt that it should ever happen.

So much emphasis is placed on acquiring wealth, and so little on developing our consciousness beyond our immediate selves. Selfishness, and a rise to the top no matter who stands in the way attitude is rewarded and lauded. Yet in the process humanity suffers.

Maybe I am just a bleeding heart, but it pains me to see people suffering.

When things just don't need to be that way.

Especially in this great country of ours.

There is so much more that we can discuss, but I'm already late for my writing class.

Thanks to you, Pdad, Buz, Seruzawa, and BMW4VWW for giving us all an example of civilized discussion. Take note Kpaul, my friend, there is goodness and intelligence in people who may not share your views, and if you approach them with respect, they will return it in kind.

Nplateau 08-10-2004 03:34 PM

Re: He just married his momma
Fantastic article. Thank you!

pdad13 08-10-2004 04:19 PM

Re: He just married his momma
Keep thinking, my friend. Keep thinking.

But while you're thinking, here's something to occupy you: Start smaller. Don't flog yourself over not being able to save the entire human race. Do something to improve just one person's life. Teach a kid how to write, or maybe even ride a dirt bike (if you're so qualified), or anything that might help someone. If more of us took that attitude, we wouldn't need the government as caretakers. That's really the kind of socialism I think you believe in. I believe in it too.

Then go and write that screenplay that becomes a real, honest-to-god movie that puts people to work and makes a few bucks for everyone down the line. Or even if that never happens, do something productive. You will have an impact on many lives greater than you have ever imagined.

I lost my dad a little over a month ago. He was a good man. Not a saint, but a hardworking, intelligent, honest husband and father. I always looked up to him for being many of the things I will never be. And I questioned how a good person could just cease to exist. But then I heard from some of the people he helped during his life, a few stories about a few kind deeds, and I realized that he didn't cease to exist at all. In a very real sense, he's still here.

That's really what this country is about. And I agree sometimes it seems we've all lost our way, that materialism has consumed us. But materialism in itself is not bad--after all, without it we wouldn't have motorcycles, it's the lack of balance that seems to escape many of us. But there are good people still out there. Just be one of them and show the others the way.

Good luck, dude.

P.S. Don't ever cast Whoopi Goldberg for any of your films. Actually, I have a whole list.

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