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Old 06-02-2004, 10:22 AM   #31
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You could let him ride a Triumph so he'd know how much fun REAL motorcycles are.
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Old 06-02-2004, 10:46 AM   #32
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Default Re: Methinks ye doth attest to Honda too loudly

Honda used to take chances.



Still does. In keeping with the thread, look at the VFR. It's probably the most technologically advanced bike on the road. VTEC, LBS, ABS, and all the goodies. Doesn't sell very well though.



What about the Rune? The Dream 50?



Maybe it's a function of size. Decision by committee?



I think it's more a question of market realities. Honda Japan makes a wide variety of bikes. American Honda however doesn't import them all, as they look at the market and only bring in what they think will sell.



Despite that, they still offer a pretty broad range of choices. Just look at sporty bikes: 599, 919, F4i, 600RR, 1000RR, Blackbird, RC51, and Superhawk. Oh, and VFR.



What kind of bike do you think Honda should develop and sell in the US?



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Old 06-02-2004, 11:02 AM   #33
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I suppose that would be true if he could ride a proper THREE cylinder Triumph.
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Old 06-02-2004, 11:20 AM   #34
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Default Re: HA !!

Actually I've been thinking of buying a new green and gold T100 Bonneville.

If we apply corporate averaging a twin cylinder engine + a four cylinder engine / two bikes =two three cylinder engines.

Which one would you like to ride first ?
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Old 06-02-2004, 11:31 AM   #35
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I'll take the Bonnie.



I've got two twins and a four cylinder. So how's that formula work for me?
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Old 06-02-2004, 12:35 PM   #36
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Default Re: Interesting note

Sometimes they outsell everyone... the ST1300 and that Ruckus scooter are examples of times they don't.
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Old 06-02-2004, 12:37 PM   #37
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Default Re: Good one

They do, but since the parent companies are Japanese, the reports are also in Japanese, and therefore impossible for the vast majority of Americans to read.



However, I happened to peek at Honda's last year (translated to English), and their U.S. motorcycle branch failed to turn a profit. Interesting.
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Old 06-02-2004, 01:11 PM   #38
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Yamaha takes plenty of chances, without a doubt more than any other Japanese company. Here's list off the top of my head:



4-stroke MX bikes, now copied by Honda (YZ400F, YZ250F)

Pushrod, air-cooled cruisers, anathema to typical Japanese motorcycle buyers and now copied by Kawasaki, sorta (Road Star)

V-4 cruisers (Royal Star)

Non-fork front ends (GTS1000)

First Japanese off-road touring bike (TDM850)

First big touring scooter, now copied by Honda and Suzuki (T-Max)





I agree
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Old 06-02-2004, 01:11 PM   #39
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Default Re: no direct relationship between sales and quality

Good point.



I think the price is probably a big part of it. Whard bags, w/o ABS, its MSRP is at $11000. That's $1000 less than a Ducati ST3. A Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike that doesn't get talked about much) whard bags MSRP's at $10,300. Not to mention the FJR1300 and ST1300, although more expensive by a lot, take a big chunk of the sport tourer market. The ST market is competitive these days.



Throw in hard bags with the VFR, make some minor appearance changes to give the press something to talk about, and maybe a couple ergonomic adjustments and sales might jump.
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Old 06-02-2004, 01:15 PM   #40
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The VFR may have a bunch of useless technology on it, but that doesn't mean Honda took a chance with it. There's nothing on it that's really new to motorcycles, other than the V-Tec, which has absolutely no real benefits.



I'll give you the Rune and the Dream 50, however, those are big chances.



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