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Old 10-10-2003, 11:24 AM   #81
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Default Re: The CL sure was a lot of fun though wasn't it?

The CL evokes very strong, romantic emotions for me. It doesn't hurt any that my then girlfriend/now wife was my near constant passenger. Of course, it left me stranded on more than one occasion with constant electrical problems, vibrating off parts, and an overall attitude problem. I don't think I'd let a bike get away with half as much crap with me today.



One positive from that bike, I look at modern Harley's and think they hold up pretty well in comparison.
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:26 AM   #82
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

It's not how fast it goes, it's how it stops (and turns). Q_d, if you keep your sight picture out 2-4 seconds in front of you, you'll have no problem on a cruiser. Heck, you'll find the lower CG makes them easier to ride in parking lots and such. "Lean angle" is an obsolete term, however.



You'll need to dye all your riding sh!t black, though.
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:27 AM   #83
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

Well, technically, I've never voted for anybody that won, so your statement is innaccurate, but I understand what you were trying to say. That said, just because "X moderately large number of people voted for yahoo P, and P passed L bulls#it law, therefore L is right." is a nonsense arguement. There are restrictions on the sort of laws that the government is allowed to pass.



Besides, my point was that I didn't trust the government to do a good job, not that they didn't have the right to pass the laws, (which is a separate arguement).



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Old 10-10-2003, 11:31 AM   #84
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

I'd say yes, both ways (cruisers to sportbikes too), with an emphasis on the not being a dumbass part.
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:34 AM   #85
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Default Re: not really,

You'd be surprised what people can wheelie. When I worked at a dealer we had a guy loop out his Virago 750.



Your assessment of common street mishaps is 100% correct. Most of the guys that crash these bikes don't do it stunting; they do it on twisty roads, usually riding well above their skill level but well below the bike's actual performance level. Based on the crashes that I saw the results of at the dealer, I would rank the dangers something like this:

1) Panicking, braking and standing the bike up and subsequently running wide in turns (seen live demonstrations of this a couple of times)

2) Not looking through a turn to see gravel/sand, hitting it, and then crashing

3) Locking up the front wheel in a panick braking situation

4) Locking up the rear wheel in the same situation

5) Spinning the rear and lowsiding, either in a turn or sometimes on straight roads

6) Overdriving headlights at night (usually followed by hitting deer)



Cures:

1) High visual horizon and proper training

2) High visual horizon

3) Training, especially dirt

4) Same as #3

5) Same as #3

6) Proper training
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:37 AM   #86
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

How about " A 45-60 year old on (a motorcycle) is a sure fire recipe for major medical bills."
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:37 AM   #87
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LMAO!
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:40 AM   #88
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

point taken, I was focusing on your standard 18 year old.
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:40 AM   #89
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

The problem is that an in-experienced rider on a Fat Boy is just as bad of an idea.

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Old 10-10-2003, 11:40 AM   #90
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Default Re: abe ... i wonder how you'd feel ....

Brings up a great point that relates to other things too.... Today Big Bro is trying to do the job that my parents did 10-20 years ago. Too many people don't know how to be parents anymore so the Gov't tries to do the job instead. If more people had the sense and balls to teach their own kids a better way we wouldn't need government doing it.............
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