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Old 10-10-2003, 10:30 AM   #71
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

Good point! I guess we should continue to police ourselves and use common sense, that way we stay below the radar of govt intervention.



Oh wait, we don't, and all that the starched-shirt bureaucrats see is loads of mangled squids who used to ride bikes that were way too powerful for them.



My point; take a little medicine now, i.e. staggered licenses with HP limits. or Ignore the problem and go in for open heart surgery later and have big brother legislate the living pi$$ out of us.



I know which I prefer.
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Old 10-10-2003, 10:35 AM   #72
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As a vet I find your post to be in poor taste, longride, but it does dovetail nicely into the disscussion, If new riders recieved the level of training for bikes before they got licensed as the military gives you before you get shipped out M/C fatalities would be next to nothing.

The first aid training I got as a member of a damage control party was pretty intensive, probably on par with what you got as a firefighter.
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Old 10-10-2003, 10:42 AM   #73
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Gentlemen (Ladies?),



We cannot trust the "guvmint" to expend the effort to properly administer any program that requires knowledge of the subject. HP, displacement, braking distances, curb weight, MSRP? C'mon!



The answer is simple.



Require anyone with less than one year of bike ownership during the previous five-year period to wear a fat-suit constructed of flameproof rubber, and a helmet, when they ride. They shall wear the suit and hat for six months. If stopped by the authorities during that time and they are not suited, they lose the bike for six months.

The above requirement shall be waived with proof of completion of a DMV/AMA certified riding school. The schools will provide the bikes for the course. The schools are loaned the bikes for six months each from the abovementioned authorities.



Individual states may enact their own additional requirements. For example, Wisconsin might substitute a foam "cheesehead" for the helmet. California could require a lawyer to ride on the front of the bike to absorb any impacts. Heck, make that a federal requirement.
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Old 10-10-2003, 10:56 AM   #74
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The real poor taste is the irony of what I said. If these kids can be trusted to be put in life and death situations, they can certainly be trusted to choose their own motorcycle. Doesn't anyone find it crazy that an 18 year old can't drink liquor, but can be shot at and put in charge of a million dollar tank? Training is 100% the issue and not so much the bike. Isn't this issue is what the AMA has been pushing all along?
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Old 10-10-2003, 10:59 AM   #75
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As a vet, I can tell you that every person in the military has to take an approved MSF course to get the bike on base. They also have to wear an approved (not a beenie) helment, a jacket, jeans (pants). hard soled shoes and a reflective 'road guard' vest.
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:02 AM   #76
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Hell yeah! They can't have you getting hurt having fun!
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:12 AM   #77
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:14 AM   #78
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"A 17 year old on (a motorcycle) is a sure fire recipe for major medical bills". See how that fits? What next?
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:16 AM   #79
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Yes and no. 18 year old newbies won't look at Geezer Glides; 45 year old newbies will, and are just as dangerous if they don't know how to operate that kind of machine.
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:20 AM   #80
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See my post above.
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