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captainwhoopass 10-10-2003 08:30 AM

Re: abe ... i wonder how you'd feel ....
I know you will. And that's exactly my point. If you can do it, every parent can, and should, instead of the government stepping in and doing it for them.

longride 10-10-2003 08:38 AM

The Sausage King is Right!
And he isn't even from Chicago!

BMW4VWW 10-10-2003 08:38 AM

Re: abe ... i wonder how you'd feel ....
Obviously Abe didn't use poor judgement as he is not a quadraplegic. Some people choose to use common sense when it comes to self preservation, and some do not. I for one abhor the thought of having restrictions placed on my freedom just because some people feel the government needs to protect idiots from doing what they do best. VWW

sarnali 10-10-2003 08:54 AM

Re: not really,
A 50 hp bike is going to take alot longer to get up to speed than a full-on sportbike like an R1 or GSXR, and will be a lot easier for a newbe to handle in the process. Grabbing a handfull of GSXR is going to launch you in whichever direction your pointing, where as a 250 or 500 will give you a little time to aim

I'm no fan of govt. intrusion but this is an issue that would help the sport more than hurt it. Some kind of first year HP limits and mandatory training is going to save lives by forcing a little self-control on someone who may not have the skills to match their enthusiasm

No ones talking about some Orwellian big brother monitoring every aspect of our lives, just an addendum to your license that requires a little experiance before you step up to the big time, besides that the original poster was a cheesehead and their all socialists anyway, whats one more law to them? (LOL)

The point is not everyone has the option of learning to ride in the dirt or being from a motorcycle family, sometimes you have to learn on your own, it's alot easier to do it on a smaller, less powerfull bike.

sarnali 10-10-2003 09:04 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
I agree, a year or two to learn on something less powerfull is going to make you a better rider because it's easier to master the skills you need when your not scared *****-less

Why the hell do these kinds of issues always degenerate into some kind of "commies taking our freedom" bull*****? when anyone with half a brain can see that an in-experianced rider on a GSXR is a bad idea?

ValknMag 10-10-2003 09:05 AM

Re: not really,
I don't think acceleration is the problem. Sure, it's easier to wheelie a powerful bike--maybe even all the way over--but more common danger scenarios are speeding through busy intersections, overcooking a turn and running wide/running out of asphalt, or driving faster than one can see. The extra power releases extra testosterone into an already overloaded brain, but it's just pulling the trigger on a .38 caliber gun rather than a .45.

Better training isn't going to happen. The first director of the NHTSA was interviewed a few years ago, and early on they had to make a choice : make good drivers, or make idiotproof vehicles. Thus we have airbags, seatbelts, third brakelights, and waterheads behind the wheel. I've been trying to get into basic MSF course for 3 years now--all booked up before I get to the web site postings.

acecycleins 10-10-2003 09:06 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
I disagree with part of your statement and agree simultaneously. Perplexing isn't it. Fact is, most newbies aren't going to go look at a Glide or similar bike because of price. Honda is damn near giving $10k and less CBR models right now and they attract newbies at a much higher rate than daddy's FL. The power to weight ratio holds the bar. In european countries the county licensing will hold the line on weight for new riders and then you look at power. So if you, as a new rider, are limited to a bike that weights 550lbs or less and are restricted to 70hp or less you suddenly have fewer options when buying your first bike.

sarnali 10-10-2003 09:10 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
How many newbies are going to spend $20,000. on their first bike? and if they do they're alot less inclined to go racing around on a touring bike than a sportbike.

pushrod 10-10-2003 09:23 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
Kinda beside the point, and I don't know for sure, but do the statistics still show that our folks "over there" are safer than if they were home?

Longride, maybe we'd find if the youngsters were to be trained before they were allowed to ride, they would be less apt to off themselves, and would therefore be more likely to get nailed in a "random attack" by some numbskull cager.

Back to the point- it would be nice if EVERYBODY was required to go through some sort of driver training (moped, cycle, car, sub-continent) before they were turned loose on the street.

sarnali 10-10-2003 09:23 AM

Re: not really,
All right then, accceleration as a product of total performance

100 plus on a liter class sportbike feels like 45 on a less powerfull bike. Someone with limited skills and speed perception is going to inadvertantly get themselves going a lot faster than they think, the resulting brain-freeze is what'll cause them to blow a corner or intersection.

The faster you go the more your vision and perception tunnels, We as experianced riders know this and compensate, a new rider may not realize whats happening and wind up in trouble.

Thats why a lower level of performance is safer to learn on.

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