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Old 10-10-2003, 07:44 AM   #41
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what a great debate. we can all agree that a newby should not buy a new r1. but i don't want the government to regulate it. here is why. if i am elected motorcycle czar, i am just fine with making the rules. but i don't want any of you yahoos making my choices for me.

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Old 10-10-2003, 07:47 AM   #42
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We're talking about licensed motorcycle riders, on big fast bikes, with little or no riding experience. What does a 15 year old driving a car have to do with this?



Cars and Motorcycles are two very different things. I was driving by the 6th grade, and had my own car, a 1951 Pontiac 8. Not a whole lot of skill involved. Just point it, and hit the gas.



And yes, you're right. I would.

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Old 10-10-2003, 07:49 AM   #43
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It has happened right here in GA and it put a friend of mine out of business and into backrupcy because of it.
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Old 10-10-2003, 07:54 AM   #44
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Yeah, look what happened to Indian Dunes. Got closed down 'cause some kid broke his back on a rented Suzuki Duster. Even after signing the accident disclaimer, some weasel attorney found a loophole in the clause, and shut the place down for good.
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Old 10-10-2003, 07:55 AM   #45
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Here here!
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Old 10-10-2003, 08:02 AM   #46
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Bite your tongue.
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Old 10-10-2003, 08:13 AM   #47
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I agree there needs to be a method for keeping people who can't handle dangerous (to others, I don't care if people kill themselves) equipment away from it in public. But I absolutely don't trust the federal (or probably even state) government to do it.



For anyone who is going to ask, I mean all of it; giant pickup trucks and SUVs, ultra-fast sports cars, and crotch rockets. Little Jenny drives into the Ford dealership in her Geo Metro and drives out in an F-450, with no experience in a vehicle of that size? That's ludicrously dangerous too.



I'm concerned, though, that if the government doesn't restrict licensing to reduce accidents, to people who actually have the skills to handle the equipment they are using, they will step in at some later date with vastly more draconian restrictions on everything, once the problem has made enough public blood and guts that the hand-wringers shrilly cry "Oh please Mr. Government Man, solve this problem!"



If we don't self regulate somehow, we will get regulated. I hate it, but it is certainly the direction indicated by past behaviour on the part of the government.



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Old 10-10-2003, 08:16 AM   #48
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No matter how socialist some high-horse motorcylists get, a law like this will never be passed in America.



I wish I could believe this. If you believe this, you haven't been paying attention. Laws of this sort, protecting people from themselves, get passed all the time in America. Unintended consequences be damned, they do get passed.



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Old 10-10-2003, 08:24 AM   #49
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I am really having a hard time understanding why, in our great republic, we don't take a clue from all elected nations and say "hey, if you have less than 1 or 2 yrs experience we would like you to ride an a bike that has less than 70 crank hp and gain some experience" Should the same type of requirement be true for cage drivers? Well, although a sticky question, I sure as hell don't want a 16yo in mom's BMW racing down the road. Can we change it. Maybe not. But, motorcyclist tend to bear the worst outcome in an accident than cage drivers do. If you can give them a little better chance with training and hp restrictions isn't it worth a shot?
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Old 10-10-2003, 08:29 AM   #50
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Won't 50hp get a bike up to 100 mph? Isn't that enough to kill someone? Some people just lack any impulse control and would kill themselves on a moped. I really don't see the distinction between restricting noobs to a 100 mph bike rather than a 180 mph bike if they're going to ride it WFO regardless of top speed.
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